Cait
Today, my guest is the one and only Amanda Frances self made multimillionaire digital course creator Forbes contributor podcaster and spiritual business mentor to the hundreds of 1000s of women who follow her work online. In the world of personal development. Amanda Frances is widely known as the money manifestation queen. Amanda’s mission is to empower women to design lives in businesses that they are wildly obsessed with. She daily strives towards this through the continual creation of her wildly popular digital courses and the and she rises podcast, an ongoing mastermind for high level women entrepreneurs and through her daily free inspirational content distributed distributed across her social media channels, combining her background in ministry as well as mental health counseling with practical business advice and a deep knowledge of spiritual and energetic principles. Amanda isn’t quite like any other business coach, you’ve encountered a true self made woman while putting herself through graduate school. Amanda taught herself how to build her first website. Eight years later, Amanda Frances Inc is a multiple seven figure yearly brand recently grossing $1 million in the first quarter of 2019. She credits her success to her sheer determination, a deep desire to serve others, and an unwavering belief in her own dreams. Amanda earned a Master’s of Science in Counseling from Southern Methodist University and a bachelor’s in psychology from Oral Roberts University. She’s a native of Tulsa, Oklahoma, but in July 2016, she put everything in storage and took off to see the world before landing in Malibu, California and most recently just moved to Beverly Hills. In this episode, you guys I just have to say this was truly one of the most inspiring episodes that I’ve ever recorded. Amanda’s story is very unconventional and her inspiration and wisdom is seriously so much goes for any individual any entrepreneur who is looking to build success her way and wants to hear it straight from someone who has done it against all odds. I hope you love this episode, make sure to check out all the juicy links in the show notes. Amanda shares some really great resources here for you. And if you are inspired by this episode, go ahead and leave us a review. All Reviews are entered to win a free coaching session with me at the end of November. So you can go ahead and do that by leaving a review on iTunes or searching us in iTunes. Without further ado, here is my conversation with Amanda Francis. Hello and welcome to today’s episode of The Born to rise Podcast. Today I am joined by self made multimillionaire and money Queen Amanda Frances. Amanda, thank you so much for being on the show.

Amanda
Thank you so much for having me.

Cait
Amazing. Well love for those of our listeners who don’t know who you are, who have been living under a rock, tell us a little bit about you.

Amanda
I’m Amanda Frances and I’m mostly known for teaching about money. I teach, I kinda have a fresh approach to business. So people have been calling me a business coach for many, many years, but I don’t really feel like it was as coach I feel like someone who applies energetic and spiritual principles to business very well. I’m also a very logical and practical person. I’m a Virgo and I think between my energetic principles of understanding how to expand and grow anything, and the fact that I make like common sense good decisions around putting myself out there online and branding myself and like building an audience. I think I’ve just created this like, kind of baby empire. Does that make sense?

Cait
It totally makes sense. And I would say not so baby empire I mean, amazing and everything that you’ve applied in I love that so much about your work the way that you know you obviously have this really deep spiritual background but have been wildly successful in business and doing it your own way which I think gives women so much permission. You know who feel like they may be approached business and have to have this hyper masculine energy. And you just bring such a fresh perspective to that.

Amanda
Yeah, right. Well, I think what’s great about women, I think, is we are just wildly efficient, right? Like, we can just like, had out a lot of like extra superfluous steps of just doing things that have been done before because someone said you had to, like, I think we just think, and then different way than men that to me sometimes feels more clear, and more illogical. At the same time, we have to trust our like, our flow and our freedom and our intuition and our desire. But when you can do both, when you can allow yourself to ignore the noise and just see things clearly and efficiently and not worry about you’re supposed to do but do what makes sense. And at the same time, trust your intuitive head to do things that don’t make sense. Because you are feeling something on the inside, then I think you’re wildly powerful.

Cait
That’s so true. And I love I love how you put that. And I’m curious though, like I’m imagining right some of our listeners who are like okay, this Amanda Frances way sounds flowy sounds fun, sounds more easy and more ease full than, you know, grinding uphill and beating myself up and feeling like I have to do business that way. But I’m scared to really trust I’m, I’m scared to trust my intuition. I’m scared to believe that I am that powerful as a woman and, and let go and let that that side of me have an input in business. I’m curious what you would say to somebody in that position, who’s coming from that mindset.

Amanda
I mean, if but it’s not that you have to, like do anything or become anything you don’t have to like, do trusting activities or become a trusting person, like it is who you are, like, it is who you’re meant to be like, we were actually made to follow our gut and trust our intuition and like, tune into our inner guidance and ask for divine guidance and like, live in this way, where we have a lot of like, cosmic support, I think that’s what we were supposed to always do, you know? Totally. And, yeah. And we kind of like, and we like learn some weird shit, you know, around how things had to be in life had to work. So it’s like, you know, many people say it’s an unlearning process. But it’s also just being who you are, who you’re meant to be. And it takes practice, when you’re out of practice with tuning into yourself, it might feel funny at first, but the intuition has been there trying to guide you all along your desires have been there trying to guide you all along, like everything you ever needed was available, we just got out of the habit of like, giving it a chance to work with us, you know?

Cait
Absolutely. I think that’s so true. And, you know, I imagine like, let’s, let’s take our listeners back for a moment. So for you, you know, you have obviously mastered the art of doing this and trusting to those desires, trusting that inner wisdom and building something absolutely phenomenal from that place. But you didn’t start there, right. Like I think a lot of people look at, you know, the brand that you’ve built, or the brand that anybody who’s built a multi million dollar empire has built and think wow, like she just started on the top. But you you’re very taking a lot of time, which is one of the things that I love so much about your work is your you keep it super real girl, like you take us all the way back to the beginning that this took a lot of time for you to build.

Amanda
But it really did. So yeah, I’m eight and a half years, and I didn’t really make money for probably like two and a half to three years. I mean, there was a time where I was making like, next to no money, like I made like $600 in the first year or something. And then it was like, Okay, this supports me a little bit like I can see a little bit coming in. And then it got to the point where like, this could support me without any other job. And then it was like, Oh, I’m gonna need this to support me and a team member too. And then it was like, what if this could support me more abundantly? And then what if this could support me like, wildly abundantly and like, what if this would support me and pay off my debt? And what if this could support me and buy real estate? And like, what if this could support a whole team and buy me multiple properties? And a few cars and a lot of Chanel and a lot of like donations and giving and like I mean, I It looks really good now and it is really good now and like I love the life but I was definitely like, it wasn’t that long ago. You know, like, I started in 2011 and 2013 I was like, Fuck, this has to pay my rent this month. This is the only way that’s not that long ago. You know what I mean?

Cait
Totally. It’s totally not that long ago and I think that that is such a helpful nugget and a helpful thing for our people to hear because, you know, I know a lot of women who are two years into business and ready to throw In the towel and ready to say, You know what this didn’t work. See, look, that’s the evidence that it didn’t work. I have a year and a half or two years under my belt, and it’s my corporate salary yet or it’s not, you know, given me this wildly abundant life that I see all over Instagram, so I must be doing it wrong. I’m curious, like, what was the Amanda in 2013? Thinking that you know, had you persist at that time and build what you’ve built today.

Amanda
I was at FedEx, printing out flyers to hang at every Starbucks in Dallas, Texas, every day, to get seven solid life coaching clients, I can pay my bills. I mean, I was just making it up. I was just making it up and figuring it out. You know, like everyone. So back then there wasn’t there weren’t women internet marketers talking about any of this? No, there, there literally wasn’t like an Instagram wasn’t really a thing. So there certainly wasn’t an Instagram course. Or here’s how to do here’s how to create digital course courses. Like so many of the courses I created early on, I created because I did figure it the fuck out. And once I figured it out, I just taught people, you know, but like, the information wasn’t like, a plethora like it is now. I mean, there was some information, there was some people to learn from, and I definitely watched people and learned I could, um, but the thing is, whether the information was readily available, then or now, the bottom line kind is that the information only matters so much. Because even when I was starting to get an idea what to do, and I understood that I probably should figure out an option for an email list. And I understood that I should probably like figure out how to say something compelling on Facebook. And even when I was starting to get it, none of none of the ideas or rules or concepts or things that I saw working for other people mattered until I believed in myself. So you literally have to decide that what you’re here to give, and what you want to do is enough, and then you literally have to decide that it’s worthy of compensation, and then you have to decide that it’s going to support you. And then it’s going to make money and you have to get really non negotiable, all the things. But all of that is like inner work, there really hasn’t been any new level of income I’ve had. That wasn’t preceded by all of the me looking at why I didn’t want it or why I didn’t believe I could have it or why I thought something bad would happen if I got it or whatever. My own inner drama and stories were around the thing I wanted.

Cait
That’s so powerful. And I think that is such an incredible reminder for you know, for anybody who’s looking to get that one hack, or like find out the one funnel that’s going to make them a million dollars that it really starts within. Because so tempting, you know, like to try one quick fix.

Amanda
Totally. And thank God for the plethora of information available today. Because I think women are able to now get out there and kind of know some steps they can take to make money and established, like, establish some clientele more quickly. And that’s really cool. But like I said, knowing all that stuff, but not thinking you’re worthy, like just kind of want to shut, you know, say that shit for a minute. But you don’t really believe in yourself yet. It won’t be sustainable results, you know?

Cait
Right? Absolutely. And I think that’s where we get into the dynamic of like kind of half believing like one toe in but mostly out. And then we might get a little bit of result. And then it goes away. And it’s almost like we manifest or we create the evidence for it not working that we were sort of doubtful of all along. Does that make sense?

Amanda
Yes. But we all have that opportunity every day. It’s not that now that I have like multiple six figures every single month and like multiple millions every single year. It’s not that now that I’ve had that for many years, I suddenly one day became immune to like having, like ego, or like a negative inner voice.

Cait
I’m so curious, like, how, how do you and I love that you say that. Like how do you keep that little inner voice in check and make sure that that’s not the person running the show that you are,

Amanda
The same thing we’ve always had to do. I mean, it’s still just about being that observer like so the first time I ever heard someone say be the gentle observer. I think it was Gabby Bernstein quoting A Course in Miracles, but I could be wrong. But someone said someone, someone said something along the lines of like be the observer of yourself of your mind of your thoughts of how you speak to yourself. And when you become and now that’s a continual practice. I’m always the observer of the things I’m saying to myself, but that’s kind of an interesting thing to teach yourself to do early on, so but it’s still the same thing. It’s been the whole time when you become the observer and you are just watching the negative beliefs or limiting beliefs or the thoughts and ideas and words that are going to create a vibration that you do not want to watch out from. It’s just up to you to observe and shift. But when you recognize that everything that isn’t true is a lot or everything that doesn’t feel good as a lie is one of my like things I’ve been saying for years, if the thought or feeling doesn’t feel good, it doesn’t have to be true for you. It becomes true when you latch on to it, think about it over and over, believe it and create it and manifest it. You know what I mean? So like, here’s an example. But because it happened a few hours ago, I feel like it’s irrelevant. Like, the other night, I googled myself, which it’s like, I can’t google myself anymore. And I learned about years ago, but I googled myself looking for something specific. I typed in like Amanda France’s Forbes article or something like I needed to find something I said at one point, because I was going to quote myself and something else I was writing. And so I google myself looking for something and I find something I like that was just so wildly negative. Like this person was like, she doesn’t really live in that house in Malibu, you know, it the the bed is always made the exact same way with this same table, the same books on the tables next to the bed. She’s totally renting that space. But like, if you watch my motherfuckin Insta story, you see me wake up in that bed a million times and live stream under the covers and like whatever. But this like this woman wrote this whole thing about how like, I don’t really have money, I don’t really live where I say where I live. One of the cars I have I own but one of them I just rented for Instagram, and what else did you say that the money is running out so fast that I have to launch all the time when I launched the amount I launched because I love my work. And I’m kind of bored without some I don’t know, sales activity in my month. You know what I mean? It’s part of one of the things I’m great at, and I love to do anyway, I could justify every single thing she said, but doesn’t really matter. I read it and it was fresh in my mind. But I read it the night I was launching my book, I believe, yeah, Sunday, I read it Sunday, when I that’s what I was doing. I was writing the bio for the sales page for my book. And when I found it, and I had to, like keep writing and keep living my life and keep doing my things I had to announce this offer. You know, there wasn’t time to worry about what a crazy person said. But then today, I’m sitting here outside my house that I bought. And I’m sitting here and I have like workers inside working doing my home automation. And I’m like, telling my team, like I’m living my best life like I’m working and I’m happy and like I’m in I’m in a vibe, I lived my life. And it the thought just comes to me. And it’s like, what if What she said is true. Obviously not the car, the house stuff, but the part about like, there was a part about like, how I’m just reusing content, and there’s no way that anyone’s okay with the way because you know, are you in the money course by chance? I’m not No, not yet. Okay, so my money mentality Makeover, the first three modules are recorded in 2015. And every year I add a new module. And the beautiful thing about that is that the course builds from a point when I’m like, you know, making my first like five figure months to a point where I’m making multiple six figure months and I feel like the way I taught those early modules from the place I was in, then I can’t reteach now because I live in a different place. I’ve I’ve read a different place. Like I can’t break it down as fundamentally now as I could then because of where I was at. So like I explained in the course why the older modules will never be re recorded. But then I have the added like 22 hours of bonuses of content recorded in the past two years. So by no means is the course old or outdated, like the practices of manifesting are what they are right. And I feel I should not rerecord them anyway, so this person is going on and on about how it’s just old content, and it’s not worth it. And no one even likes it anyway. And the people who are in the Facebook group raving about the results they’re getting, they’re not real people. I’m just paying them for their fake testimonials. Can you imagine me finding like, I don’t know, 50 women to lie to Facebook group about the things that are manifesting. But it is I’m sitting I’m like, What if people start thinking that what if she’s right, that people are going to believe that and those beliefs are going to catch on? And it’s all gonna fall apart? What if this is the beginning of the end? I was thinking this like four hours ago. And so I don’t know my point being is that that’s ludicrous. But me thinking that like the 10s of 1000s of women and my courses, they’re all gonna change their minds, is about the same as someone else thinking they can’t get three clients because they’ve never had three clients or whatever. You know what I mean? Like where that say they have their first three clients, but they think it would go away, and it’s not maintainable and they could never have seven clients. Yes, I can be similar to me thinking I can continue to make 300 or $400,000 a month but I could never make a million How is that possible like, would be like similar like. I have built up ideas around what I get to have that I really believe in, just like everyone else is doing this kind of work. And then some days, it seems like it could all go away because I was a human being who got scared for a minute, you know?

Cait
Absolutely. And I love I love so much how you share that and make it so real that like, even you know, Amanda Frances has those self doubt moments as those moments of when like the fear crazy, like lizard brain comes in and is like, what if it all disappears and goes away? Yeah, you know, I think it’s so beautiful that you’re able now to just like, have those moments come up, but they don’t, you know, they’re not the ones actually controlling the decisions you make, and the outcomes that you decide are possible.

Amanda
Right. So they’ll be things that come up in your mind that probably take you you know, a few days, a few hours, maybe a few weeks to like get yourself to process through. But as you get more practice, like changing your mind, and believing different thoughts, like, like, locking in to belief like clicking into, I know, this is how it will be for me like as you get more practice doing that it does get easier, but you will still and most of the time, you’ll be able to clear limiting beliefs in minutes instead of days or hours or whatever. But you’ll still be a human being like I literally because that women’s long rant on the internet was so long and out there and wild. And I read the whole thing which I shouldn’t have. Like, I felt her fearful scarcity, like this isn’t really possible. It can’t be really well like her thinking that that reality isn’t real for me. Just mean she doesn’t think of reality reality like that is real for her. Like, I know that. But after I like fell into that person’s energy for longer than I should have, like it really came on in a real way today. And I was like, why is this scarcity energy like feeling so like, potent? Like it was trying to kind of like, take hold of my mind for a minute. And it took me like, probably like, I don’t know, this doesn’t seem like a long time. But it’s longer than I wanted it to be. It’s probably a good like, seven minutes to be like, This is not real. You know who you are, you know, what you do? You know what you’ve created, you know, the testimonials and success stories that people like, just send you without you asking for anything. Like I could go into the money mentality makeover group for any of the years of the course, and see a lot of people telling me about their positive experiences. And I know I don’t even get to hear from everyone. Like I could build up all the positive evidence and get myself into a different kind of place. But I didn’t even need to do that. I just reminded myself that I was Amanda Francis, and I create my reality, and I’m gonna continue to do so. And the thing is, none of all of this is made up anyway. So why don’t we just make up the life that we want.

Cait
It’s so true. I love that and I love it’s like, okay, I can build up all the evidence, or I could just remember who the fuck I am.

Amanda
Totally. And sometimes you have to build up all the evidence when you’re newer at clicking into believing in yourself. But then when you’re more used to believing in yourself, you’re like, Okay, let’s just go back to what I know. You know,

Cait
I love that totally, totally. Okay, so you just mentioned in there casually that you’re writing a book, which is so exciting. Tell us about your book.

Amanda
So. Okay, so I almost said again, well, I’m Amanda Frances. But when I say my name like that, it might sound really weird or egotistical. But what I mean, is that, like, when I say I’m Amanda Frances, I’m reminding myself that I’m Amanda fucking Frances. And what it means to me to be Amanda fucking Francis is that like, I am someone who has continued to do things their own way, when it didn’t make sense when it didn’t seem logical, and when it shouldn’t have worked, but when like, I knew I was being led. So that’s essentially what happened with this book. And this is the same way I created like my launch processes the same way I learned how to sell online the same way I learned how to do to brand and market and all of it is this, like I tuned into myself around what I was being guided to do. So that’s what’s happening now with the book. So the whole story is, I know I need to write a money book because most books written on money, especially like spiritual manifests. The books written on money, are pretty like shallow. They don’t they, they don’t really cover what it’s like to heal your trauma and fear and pass and doubts and limiting beliefs strong, many, like teaching basic manifestation principles is fine. But like if you have some deep seated stuff around like, who you are as a person, because of the family you come from, or the place you come from, or how people have treated you when it comes to money. There’s a little bit deeper stuff to heal and clearer than just like, feel good about money and you’ll attract more. You know what I mean? And I’m so tired of spiritual teachers acting like it really is Just do what you love and the money will come. Because you can do what you love and not feel worthy of money and the money won’t come, you can do what you love and feel like bad things will happen. If you get the money and the money won’t come, you can do what you love and believe it all is gonna go to the to the government or the taxman or whatever. And that can make you not fucking want it, and then it will come. So like, I just think the many books aren’t written very with very much depth, or very honestly, and it’s been putting me off for a really long time. Because I happen to have, I’ve gotten to know different people in the industry who who teach on things they don’t live. And it’s just been a thing on my mind forever. So I’ve known for a very long time, I have to remember any book, I have to remember any book, I’ve written many, but the problem was like, I create and sell online programs, that’s what I do. And the way I do it is I create a sales page for an offer, I put it on the internet, and I start making money that day. Then I don’t record module one, until everyone has shows up live for module one, and then I record it live. I’m a crazy procrastinator kind of person or I have been my whole life. And instead of thinking of that as a bad thing, I decided it would be a good thing. And I just did everything live and then you can’t procrastinate because everyone’s waiting on you. And that is how I just like worked with it for all these years. So I had a hard time sitting down and writing very many chapters. At a time when I was doing other things that were helping people in real time and making money in real time. How do you get yourself to sit and write a book when you have profitable activity that’s actively changing lives and businesses every day? Or that was my problem? So long time ago, months, maybe years? A long fucking time ago? Yeah, I think it’s been years embarrassingly, I was like, what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna create a sales page for the book. And I thought I was gonna just put like the title and the cover and announce it and make it a vibe and tell people to sign up. And for X number of dollars a month, thank you get one chapter every month, but I kind of once again, procrastinated on it for quite some time until it just kind of like rose up in my heart is like, no, it’s time. And you’re gonna do it this way. And then all the information really started to be there. Like I knew the chapters would come out every other week. I knew that I wouldn’t announce the cover or title until later. I knew that all this footage I’ve been filming from all around the world over the summer, while I was traveling was going to be used for a video to announce the book. I just like new stuff. And it all came together. So I did have to like, sit with myself quietly and seek answers here and there. But it was just clear. It was either clear that it was time or I was so fed up with myself that I made it time I’m not sure. Either way it happens. So the reason I was saying I just was being Amanda Frances and I pulled in Amanda Frances is I just kind of like put something out there on the internet that I haven’t really seen very many times before, or really ever quite like this before. I mean, someone told me Charles Dickens it this way, but not through the internet. Apparently he sent out periodicals of a little bit of his book at a time. So he called them serials anyway. So I basically put up a sales page told people they can come on a journey with me, they can pay, and they’ll get a chapter every other week. We’ll write it together from now until early 2020. And there’ll be get the first reveal of the cover the first reveal of the title, the each chapter, like I already said, they’ll get the first reveal of the money video, they’ll get to group coaching calls with me where we talk about the process writing the book, they’ll get my notes, my notes around like my inner work of how I work through my own limiting beliefs as I’m writing the book. And I like so like 11 people signed up in the first like 30 minutes and I was like, oh my god, it works.

Cait
That is so amazing. And what I love so much so long story now oh my god, I love hearing the whole story. And I think everyone listening is loving it as well. And what I think is so cool is like you took this inner like I’m procrastinating or I’m resistant, you didn’t make it bad. You just listen to the information of like, Oh, why does this feel bad? Oh, because it’s me. How can we make it make money and do it my way and then just freakin did it.

Amanda
I just freaking did it. And I will be so much more motivated knowing it’s helping people in the process, like the idea that once eight chapters are written, and then they’re edited. And then you know, well, I had a like a bit I had a big publishing house approached me like a big five publisher. And first I told them, I didn’t think they could afford me. But then I listened to them a little bit and I was like, okay, they can possibly afford me. But I could tell that they just traditional publishing. I don’t have anything bad to say about traditional publishing. I haven’t done it this way. But my friends who have done it, the impression I get is they don’t do a lot to market your book. They don’t do a lot to get you out there. You do that yourself. And my friends who If done well with books, or did it themselves, so it’s like, well, how is the publisher helping me, they’re helping me by getting it into like Barnes and Noble. And they’re helping me by giving me accountability. But I give myself accountability, and I can make the web, they are gonna pay me to buy the book so much more. If I create buzz around it right now, through my self publishing, you know what I mean? So I’m gonna have buzz during this launch, it’s happening right now, I’m gonna have buzz, when it becomes a best seller on Amazon, I’m gonna just make the buzz, you know. And then when it’s like getting all this like positive feedback, then the conversation with the publisher, one will have more money, even though I don’t have the impression they were trying to lowball me at all. But it would have more money. And maybe I don’t want them at that time. Or maybe I want to let them buy my second book. And I just want to keep owning the first one, because it’s doing so well with this recurring revenue on Amazon, or I don’t know, but at least I’m in control this way.

Wow. Absolutely. Absolutely. And that’s such a powerful reminder that like when you’re the boss, you get to call the shots. And just because something has like a sexy big name doesn’t mean that that’s necessarily the best move.

No, no, no. And it’s just like, even though the book advance was a lot of money and was something that would have been a life changing amount of money, you know, years ago, it’s still like, they own your book, and you don’t start getting your royalties till after. So say you get like a $200,000, like book advanced, you don’t start getting royalties until after the book is made $200,000. And then you start getting your small percentage, like your 10% of royalties. And it’s like, it’s kinda like, do I like that vibe, as someone who owns all her creative content at this time? You know, it’s like, we all I don’t know, if everyone said, that’s like, the thing Taylor Swift went through this summer of wanting to own her masters or whatever, like, you create something, and then someone else controls it. And you get a small chunk of that, like, What do you mean is that so while I want to have books on the shelf, and I want to have books translated into other languages, that’s another thing a publisher can do for you, they can translate into other languages, and you get a check every time you know, it’s translated into that new language. While all of that’s cool, you just don’t have any fucking say how it happens. You don’t get to decide on the book cover on your own.

Cait
So amazing. Well, I love that you are like doing it this different way. But as a part of your offer, and the way that you’re doing it differently, you’re also taking people and giving people the opportunity to come inside this journey with you and see how you’re doing it and see how you’re blazing your own trail, which is just so so freakin valuable. So yeah, this experience with this woman, ladies.

Amanda
Oh, you’re sweet. Thank you. Yeah, I think some people want to come because they want to read the book because they’re in the money course and they just want to like supplement the money course. And, and I think some people just want to see what the fuck I’m about to do. Some people are just paying money doing to see how I pull it off. I think they just want to be inside the container seeing how I pulled this off. Which makes sense that is like wildly valuable information. Totally. But ya know, it’s gonna be it’s gonna be a whole vibe. I’m excited for the process.

Cait
Oh my gosh, so good. Well, I cannot wait to read it. It’s gonna be incredible. So, so exciting. You’re so welcome. Well, and you know, I want to just shout your podcasts on here as well, which is And She Rises The Fuck Up. If you haven’t listened to it yet. Go ahead and listen to it, guys. It’s so good. And obviously this podcast is called Born To Rose. So this theme of like, okay, shits gonna happen, we’re gonna fall down. But it’s not about falling down. It’s about what we do after that, and about how we rise back up. I’m curious. And one question that I always asked on the podcast is, you know, an experience that you’ve had to rise up from, it’s been difficult. I feel like you’ve just given us one from today. Yeah, and any, you know, over the eight and a half years that you’ve been doing this, like if you can speak into a moment that that’s been really relevant for you, and how you’ve risen back up. That would just be so amazing to hear.

Amanda
Yeah, well, a couple different things are like passing through my mind right now. Um, I don’t know that the details of any of them are as important as what I think I did every single time. So I’m thinking of a time where I got like, really disheartened with the internet marketing world because I found out some people I really looked up to were like, kind of like lying and their marketing campaigns and like around how much money they were making and stuff like that. And I’m thinking of a time I had like a really like deep like personal trauma where I really had to, like rely on my team and I felt like I couldn’t work quite the same. And I’m thinking of all these different things that happened. And I think what I would say like how I rose was, you have to get really honest with yourself first and foremost, like with The mentors I couldn’t believe in anymore. It was like, Well, what am I here to do? And what do I know for sure about the things I teach? You know, that was that’s been the case, in every experience as far as I have to come back to why the fuck am I doing all of this and what is real for me. And then, you know, from there, I really believe in like massive self resilience and like massive self responsibility, like, we are the only ones who can rise for ourselves, like no one can rise for me, you know what I mean? Like, no one can choose for me that I’m gonna keep going, that nothing can lock me down that nothing can hold me back for very long that, that nothing can change who the fuck I am and what I’m here to do. So like, I have to choose to like call on my own inner strength and own it or resilience when it’s fucking hard. And we all do. But when you know that it’s on you, and you take massive responsibility for yourself. And like, I’m really big on that, like we like, the world isn’t fair and it society isn’t fair. And there’s like, oh, a lot of us were brought up in different types of environments that didn’t really set us up for success and like different ways. But none of that fucking matters today, like I’m here in my own reality, creating it. And so, when I believe that I am fully responsible for what I create, and the universe will rise up and match me when I believe I can have more. I don’t know then what, what other fucking choice do we have other than to rise again, you know?

Cait
So well said oh, I love that. I’ve chills Amanda, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom. I think this is just one of the most inspiring episodes it’s been so so great to hear your story and to have you share it with everybody. So thank you so much. Where can our listeners find you and follow along with your book and with everything else that you’re sharing?

Amanda
Okay, yes, I’m xoamandafrances on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter. My website is Amandafrances.com. If you want to go hang out on Instagram with me, I am story like every day kind of a lot. And there’s always links in my bio to free shit to page shit to all kinds of offers that ever we have going on at that time.

Cait
Amazing. Thank you so much, Amanda,

Amanda
Of course. Thank you love.