Cait

I’m so excited for this interview. And I’m so excited for them to get to meet you and be connected to so much of your magic, you are such a trailblazer in the online space. So Ashae I am so pumped for this conversation and really to hear you spread so much wisdom and lay it on us about the interconnection between pleasure and sex and intimacy and how we feel with money and business and momentum and flow. And you are somebody who blends these two together so seamlessly so beautifully. You’ve built a multimillion dollar empire of your own accord and done it in such a feminine, beautiful, intuitive lead way that is just incredible. So for those of our listeners who are new to your work new to your world, tell us about you my love and the magic that you do.

Who is Ashae Sundara and how she decided to live on her own terms

Ashae
Thank you for such a inviting Hello into my world. Okay, so glad to be here. And yeah, my my world wow, I I do feel like I am such, I do feel that that trailblazer energy when it comes to the coaching industry because so much of my journey has led me to be in devotion to my body through experiencing sustained chronic illness that I had to be in, in healing with and then on top of that, and through that journey, learning how disconnected I was to my own body to my own sexual intimacy. And really, my journey started reclaiming me as a woman like who am I as a woman as a being on this planet. And what I and at the same time, I always had this passion to serve to help the world to live on my own terms like ever since I went in my four year university in college I just knew that none of this is for me I need to do life on my own terms. And so what I started getting into the industry and being here but through that you know my main devotion has always like been through and in my body and in my vitality and in my relationships and in my heart and and so what I started to see was that in this industry, there’s just a lot of masculine gang energy. And we need it in some ways like money and business does have a very masculine energy to it. And I know you probably noticed because I’m been reading things online came around buying your your home, which I’m so excited about for you. But even that like buying a home is very masculine. There’s lots of contracts and signatures and dates and times. And so for me my continual question is how can I bring the most pleasure to this industry as possible? How can I bring fluidity the most intuition the most wisdom from my feminine being embodied to this industry and to myself in this industry, because I feel the most free when I’m there. So I’m just constantly working, working, working, doing doing doing which we need, like we need to do in order to rise in order to build legacy and wealth like there is there’s hard work that goes into it. But how can we also especially talking to the women in this industry, how can we also do that while being an finding ways to be more and more in our nature. So that’s been just my journey, my exploration, my study, and so much of that has led me to, you know, my courses that I teach, such as orgasmic abundance as, as we just finished this round, and it was mind blowing, just so beautiful to watch as, as women really connected the dots between money and pleasure, it’s such a joy for me.

Cait
So beautiful. There’s like so many nuggets in there that I want to unpack and pull out Ashae because you’re so right. And I think, for so many of us, we come to entrepreneurship, we come to our coaching businesses, we come to the online space, from this very, like one square foot approach. And it’s like all the head, right. And I love that you said that one of your guiding inquiries, both in your life and in your business is how do I lead from my body? How do I come back to my body. And I’m curious for you like in your journey, and also in your experience in coaching other women like, I think that a lot of women probably don’t even realize the ways in which they’re disconnected from their body or their moving from their head or from even like, not even their own thoughts. But either a societal agenda, or just moving with the status quo of this is how I think things have to be done. Like, what would you say to a woman who feels like they know, they’re not completely in their body, but the idea of letting their body be the CEO of their business, or their body really directing them? Like, what are some of the ways in which you help women unwind and come back to that, you know, innate nature that you spoke about so beautifully and really moving from that body space?

Tips for female entrepreneurs who want to be more in touch with their bodies

Ashae
Well, a lot of it comes up when it comes to trigger work within this industry. So if you’re in if you’re an entrepreneur, if you are running a business, you are going to need to be incredibly emotionally intelligent. And you’re going to need to learn how to work with your trauma, around money around connection around being paid around people liking you or not liking you around how fast you’re working, or how slow you’re working, like when you have ultimate freedom to do whatever you want to do to create whatever you want to create, to sell whatever you want to sell and to do it in whichever way you want, which we totally have. Yes, there are ways there are ways that we’ve learned, there’s ways that we’ve implemented there’s ways that we, that we can, can try on but ultimately what it comes down to is that there’s free reign free space to make our lives to make our businesses to make our careers to fill our life with whatever it is that we’re wanting. And within that freedom, right within that freedom comes one a lot of responsibility, but to there’s just so much emotional baggage that’s in this world, like, Oh, yeah. And so what happens is like, when when I’m working with my clients, and things come up, triggers arise, pieces come up, we always deal with it through the body. So I’m not gonna just say, No, you’ve got to be more positive or think about it in a different way. Like, yes, we want to align our mind and address things from a place of empowered sovereignty. And these pieces are stuck in our body. And so the more aware we are of how I am feeling today, simply that like how do I feel? Day five of my launch, what’s coming up for me? What’s arising? How am I feeling about it? If we’re honest with those feelings, and emotions and thought forms and where we’re kind of resonating in the energy that we’re stewing in, if we’re honest about that we can address that in the body versus the mind, I’ve found is that the more women start addressing whatever is arising through the body, through feeling through moving through breathing through sounding through releasing through sex through, like, emotional alchemy. The more in touch they become with their body and the more you can figure out is this is my body, you know, telling me to push through Is this my body’s telling me to like go deep into something to feel something. But what happens is that when we we live in a society that has taught humans not to feel and that feeling was bad and wrong and shameful. And so we hide our emotions even to ourselves. So, so much of that work with my clients is like really getting them to start feeling again. And then it becomes easier to listen to those messages and listen to the body. But even still, it can be hard. So for an example is like, last year, I, I had like, more more launches, all of the time, this year, my body has been really like I’m doing live courses pretty much every other month of this year, and taking time in between to like, really nurture what’s about to come and to really be in my body and in my presence. And there’s definitely those stories like, well, you’ve got to launch every day, you’ve got to launch new things, you’ve got to be constantly doing the thing. But I want to be the person that decides that it doesn’t have to be that way, right? I want that person for myself. And so and I want to be able to teach that you can do it that way as well.

Cait
Yes, and I love I love that you’re sharing that in that practical example to like fight the urge to constantly be in the outward and the doing and the masculine and the pushing forward. And something you said earlier that really caught my attention was like we we need to do in the world we need to do to do our businesses, we need their actions that we have to take there. You know, marketing has to be done. Like there’s action steps that have to be taken, but that what you’re describing, and like this feminine quality of feeling and of moving from, from the wisdom of our bodies like that is not actually the opposite of doing what I’m hearing really clearly from you is is infusing that feminine wisdom into how we do whatever has to be done in the business. And I think that in and of itself is so radical, because I think like, and we’re both in this industry, like I’m sure you see this all the time. And I’m really curious your perspective on this. But I always think it’s just like such a funny false dichotomy this like, super like masculine camp of business coaching, and this like super feminine camp of business coaching, like as if these are against each other as if these are like opposites and what I think is so actually the vibe is how they inform each other. And so talk to us about that, and talk to us about what it looks like specifically to let pleasure and let that really deep body wisdom and that feeling wisdom guide, the way that we choose to move and do the things that have to be done.

What it means to let pleasure and bodily wisdom guide the way you move

Ashae
Yeah, so you know, the super masculine verse super feminine. And the reason that exists is because in our length, and through our growth, and through our journey, and through our trauma, we tend to side with either one or the other. Either we learn from a parent or a figure in our life early on, like it’s not safe to be in the feminine, or it’s not safe to be in the masculine. And so we hop over to one camp, or we have something that comes in that tells us that it’s better over there, or that you’re gonna get more out of life if you’re in one camp versus the other. And so you kind of unconsciously side in one camp, and then you start to realize, like, Oh my God, I’ve been so masculine all my life, it’s not working, like I need my feminine, or I work with tons of women that are like, I am so feminine, I can literally lay on a beach all day long, and just like, look at the sun, and I’d be happy, you know, and we need to bring more masculine into these women and bring more like us into showing up and doing the thing that they want to do. So essentially what we’re seeing though, it’s like we want both we don’t want I don’t want to be feminine, and I don’t want to be only masculine, I want to be my full human whole selves. And I want to be integrated in all parts of myself so that when I need my masculine, were here. And then when the phone gets shut off, and I’m ready to like, fall into my lover’s arms and curl into a ball and get to be in my feminine too, right so so it’s that, right? It’s that ability to work with and even in partnership being able to be in both energies as well. So it’s often we think that even in partnership, oh, I just want to be in this energy in partnership, but we’re so we’re fluid Yang’s and we need to harness the power of our whole self in order to have the results in life that we’re wanting because we need all of us, right? Why would have us that’d be so silly.

Cait
I love that you’re speaking to like the fact that both of these energetics it’s not just like men have the masculine women have the feminine or whatever, like this is a marriage inside of ourselves that we bring to our business to money, to the way that we launch to our relationships. Like it’s it is how that marriage shows up inside of us and also impacts everything that we do externally. I love that.

Ashae
Yeah, and so when you’re speaking of, you know, when I think of it in, in business, I’m thinking about it in terms of pleasure versus action, right? When an action can be pleasurable, and pleasure can be actionable as well, right? We can have this dance happening. But for me, the better I feel, the more excited I am to be in my business. And the story, the better my body feels, the more fluid my energy feels, the more open my heart is, the more my Sacral Chakra is open and flowing myself, my sexual energy just as an energy is open and flowing. My brain is clear, like, this is what I want to do. And it’s, it’s actually gets so much more fun, the more you show up to it. I mean, I think that my business and I kneading and creating and being in the business is one of the most fun things that I can do. It’s my creative project. It’s my art, it’s my passion. It’s my heart so like I want to be in it and this is the thing that most people who are like I’m in my feminine I don’t need to work that much I just like come and do a post and that’s it. And that’s all I need to do. It’s like maybe but also don’t you want to be so in love with your work don’t you want to wake up on Monday being like I cannot wait to see what comes through today. I can’t wait to serve I can’t wait to sell I can’t wait to be fully alive in the thing that I’m choosing to do like that’s the best feeling to me and so we don’t want to think of feminine or masculine as like a place to camp out if that makes sense.

How sexual energy intertwines with money

Cait
Yeah, so it makes so much sense and I love that you are explaining it this way for everybody who’s listening because I think this is it’s such a commonly like misconstrued thing of you have like the feminine is like let me just like hang out in the pool and not work today and just like feel good. But then I have to when I when it’s time to work, I have to grind I have to push I have to like really activate this masculine and then get that done. So I can go back to feeling good over here. And what I think you are describing is like this beautiful invitation for all of us to be in the inquiry of like know, what does it look like to bring the juiciness the feel good, the paying attention to how amazing the experience of being in our bodies in our creativity can feel like that Shakti lifeforce energy and bring that to the things that we do. And that perspective is like is it’s such a mind blowing emoji, like I hope you guys really listened art like 10 times because it’s so important. Okay, I say I really want to ask you about this and I know our listeners are going to appreciate this. Talk to us about the parallel of like orgasmic sexual energy you obviously have a program called orgasmic abundance. Talk to us about like, the energy of sex of orgasm of pleasure of this like cultivation in combination of the most potent energy in the world, which is sexual energy. And like how that relates to money because both of these topics can be profoundly taboo. Like for so many women I see this in my work like talking about money posting about money, it brings up triggers like talking about it brings up triggers, not talking about it brings up triggers seeing other people talk about it brings up triggers, seeing other people not talking about it brings up triggers, there’s like so much taboo around it. And same thing around sex like, I think 90% I just made that statistic up, but so many women wouldn’t dream of posting anything about their sexual life online for a really similar reason that a lot of women couldn’t imagine talking about how much money they make online. And so, again, you are such a trailblazer in this space of being like Nope, we’re going to talk about all of it and we’re going to dance it all. And here’s my sexy like Yoni dildo and like, we’re gonna just do it all we’re gonna do it on Instagram Stories baby. Talk to us about the connection and also the liberation you have found both in really like what I see in you Ashae is letting yourself be profoundly witnessed in your abundance in your leadership in your pleasure in your body, like, talk to us about that.

Ashae
So much to say here. Okay, so the first thing is I’m going to speak to the last part of what you just spoke to this witnessing. And one modality if you would call it that has really taught me how potent it is to be witnessed is dancing, pole dancing, or cheer dancing for a partner, I used to take some sensual dance classes, and the masculine energy is just the witness. And we would do it with all women. So the masculine energy that’s sitting in the chair would just be the full witness. And you don’t really move as the witness, you don’t really do much besides give presents. And then as the dancer you be in your pleasure, you be in your radiance, you Unfurl yourself to be witnessed in front. And what I started to see and what I started to notice is like, my dance, and my expression is so much sexier when I have a witness, because there is presence like love God, energy, focus presence just on me. And then I can actually be in more pleasure be in more magnetism be in more aliveness. And then if we’re talking about an actual sex scene, right, or a moment with a partner, or in the midst of, you know, making out or dancing well, most women are saying, like, I want him to come into me, like, I want his energy, his presence, his fierceness to like, grab me and ravish me and love me well. And it’s like you got to be seen in you to be ravished in you. You can’t be hiding behind the door and being like, ravish me because you’re behind the door, right? Like you’re, you’re literally hiding yourself. So the more you you are, the more the masculine. And I like to say the masculine and money can come to you, you can receive it, because you’re actually showing more of you. And that which brings me to the next part of talking about this, this inquiry in this question, which is that I believe that wealth and pleasure flow into an unblocked system. So if you have a lot of sexual trauma, for example, pain in your sexual organs, heartbreak that hasn’t been worked through grief that hasn’t been worked through, it’s going to be hard to open into an ecstatic pleasurable experience. This is the same true if it’s, we’re talking about emotional blockages, like if you’re pissed at your partner, you haven’t said anything, you haven’t told them what happened, how you were for what you’re feeling. And then you try and bring pleasure on top of that, it’s not going to do much like it’s not going to be that pleasurable, because there’s all these kinks in the system that actually want to be worked out, so that plasma can flow through. And the same is true with money, right? If we have all these kinks around money around our work in the world, our expression who we are, then how is money going to freely flow into us it’s wanting to pour in, but we’ve got to be seen in who we really are. So that it does and so what I’ve seen is that the more I have allowed, and it’s not that the world has to know everything about me, it’s not that I have to share all the things or else I’m not you know, being seen. It’s that when something feels true and alive for me to share with my audience, when something feels like like I wish the world knew this or I wish the world could see this possibility or I wish the world could love themselves in this way I wish that like if it’s like that, then I have to or else it becomes this kink this block and money can’t flow through so for me it’s like I’ve got to free myself and be able to talk about anything online so that I I know that there’s there’s fluidity happening between me and God and me and money as the masculine and it can come into me because I’m not trying to block my expression in any way around it.

Cait
Oh my god, this is so good. So powerful. I am like, I don’t normally like write notes during an interview. But there’s a couple of like, I’m sending this to you for you to make into a meme and put it on your phone because it’s so fucking good. You just need to write down like you’ve got had to be seen as you to be ravaged by you. That is just such a million dollar Ashae Sundara quote everybody like tattooed on your face so good. And get in that wealth and pleasure flow into an unblocked system like both of those nuggets are so profound. And the reminder that being witnessed as us and how many like whether we’re thinking about it in terms of a lover and being just like, absolutely devoured and like gobbled up and just have that most like Central beautiful ecstatic experience, or whether it’s like the infusion of more cash than we could have imagined in a year in a single day, like, both of those experiences that are like these deep desires, these deep longings in order for those to flow through, like the importance of being witnessed, I think is such a profound thing. And that brings all of us to the edge and in the inquiry of what part of me is afraid of being seen, what part of me is like wanting the, the yumminess of being devoured, or the yumminess of all that cash, but like not wanting to take the risk. And this is something I talked about a lot like the risk, but the risk of being seen and the risk of putting ourselves out there and the risk of, you know, doing that work to uncover ourselves and unravel ourselves, but not know how we’re going to be received. And I would love for you to speak to like, specifically your own process of getting so comfortable, because I think whether it is, you know, dancing in for a partner, or it’s, you know, bravely sharing our voice online or showcasing a part of us that we thought had to be secret, the fear of like, getting in our own heads and almost being the like judging ourselves, which drops it like cuts us off from being fully in that embodied, feminine place, like how do you say, so devoted to the integrity of what you are feeling as opposed to focusing on the external like how you’re looking to let yourself actually cultivate that profound magnetism? Is that question clear? Like I’m because I imagine that this is actually the seeking block for most women is like, okay, conceptually, I get it, I need to be seen in order to be ravished, I need to be seen in order to receive the money. But like, I’m so in my head that I like, how do I get back into my body?

How to cultivate profound magnetism by staying devoted to the integrity of your feelings

Ashae
Yeah. So for me, it’s not never about like, what do I need to show the world so that the world sees me, it’s more? How do I live my life in a way that turns me on? And then how do I just let people into that? So it’s less of this? How do I prepare the perfect marketing materials? It’s how do I prepare the quote unquote, perfect life for myself, where I’m living in a way that is so delicious to me, and I want to naturally share that. It’s not like, Okay, I’m gonna put on this outfit today, because I have an Instagram Live, it’s more, I’m gonna put on this outfit today. Because today is a day in my life, and I have an Instagram thing that’s gonna happen to, and I’m gonna go to this date, or whatever it is, but it’s doing it first and foremost for you. And what I what I find gets in the way for a lot of people is that there’s a lot out there about how to market and what it is that you should do. And at a certain level, this is important. Like, if you are just starting out, or you’re getting off the ground, you’re getting your business running, it can be so helpful to receive, you know, the 10 different post ideas that you can do, or, you know, this simple things like that. But after a certain point, it’s no longer valid for people who are just committed doing the work and showing up. And then it really does shift into the energetics I feel like strategy is so it’s helpful. It’s like we so funny, just like we pop back and forth between masculine and feminine. I believe we jump back and forth between like total strategy and then total energetics and total energetics is we’re just trying to find that balance where we have all of our strategy laid out we know what’s happening. We know how we launch we know how we sell, we know how to do it all and then we also get to focus on who am I being how am I being like what is my life looking like that is that magnet and that does call people in so over the years I will say that the part of part being seen has shifted over the years around, like how, how I’m being seen. And I find that it’s more fun, the more I get into my business to focus on branding and like imagery and colors and making it really me, whereas at the beginning, it was just about like sharing my life being seen showing up making sure I was being of service and not caring, what was the experience of the other because in some ways, we cannot ever control this, right, we can’t control what people think of us, all we can do is show up in our truth. So I think that for people who aren’t used to showing up radically in their expression and their truth in their power and how they can serve, it’s really helpful to just like, go and do it, and to also have strategic pieces for how, and then once you start getting into that solid fluidity with it, it’s really just about like your lifestyle and your energy, your aliveness, your internal alignment and connection to what it is that you’re bringing through for the world.

Cait
It’s so beautiful Ashae and I feel like this is such a powerful and important reminder and such a beautiful reminder that like, there is no secret like you are the secret there is no one special strategy that’s gonna make you a multimillionaire and go do it right now. It’s, if anything, what I’m hearing for you is like, hey, stop paying attention to all these things out here. And like come back to how it feels for you come back to like, is it true for you focus less on how you’re going to be received and focus more on how it feels for you, and how that can become just so effortless in the way that you share in the way that you speak. And that is such a powerful reminder. You know, I feel like it’s very easy in this industry. I’m sure you see this with your clients all the time. But I feel like it’s very easy in this industry to get caught up in the noise and in the swirl. I know before we started recording today we were talking about you were talking about living in a city and just the like, almost like the step like the TV static noise energetically of being in such a space I feel like the equivalent in the online world is there’s a lot of TV static, there’s a lot of Instagram static, there’s a lot of external static that we can get caught up in, but you’re giving us such a profound reminder and wisdom and guidance to like go back to how it feels for you first. And that is that is where it all begins and ends and everything in between so good.

Ashae
Yeah, I mean, and it’s not gonna slow down, it’s only gonna get louder because more and more people are coming to this industry, more and more people are seeing how they can create their own lives and their own businesses and their own lifestyles through this beautiful portal that we are using right now. And it’s amazing. And you know, we’re gonna we are this is so fascinating how the industry changes and grows right before reels, for example, were a thing, it was kind of standard now that reels are a thing, it’s like this new, different thing that everyone’s using and growing with and it changes the field, it changes the static and the environment and what’s happening around us. And so, it’s so important that we like learn how to come back to ourselves as the artist and as a creative because there’s gonna be new things to implement. There’s going to be you know, people going viral new pages showing up there’s gonna be 1000s hundreds of 1000s of more people doing this work and you know, both of us teach it like we teach. And it’s so beautiful. Like I love bringing people into this world and getting people so deeply devoted and are not getting people so deeply devoted. Usually they already are that way they find me but you know, like, like really nurturing relationships in this industry that to me is so much about our own personal development journey on our own journey of becoming a mature creative, fully sovereign adult such a you know if that’s our focus, then like the noise doesn’t matter as much because we’re focusing on who we’re being.

Cait
Yes so true. And I just I feel like this particularly right now is so important people to not get swayed and sidetracked and you know, get caught off track with what is she doing? What is she doing? What’s the trend am i doing In a Freels, am I using the right hashtags like just the noise and coming back to that real internal space? And it’s it’s such an important reminder, it really every every level of business, whether you’re just entering the industry, whether you are established and it’s, you’re really paying attention to who else is crushing it, like coming back to you, I think it’s such a masterful reminder, a che, I love that. One of the last questions that I want to ask you is, and this is something that I asked everybody on the show, I would love if you would share with us a moment and like utilizing these these tools, and really this way of being that you’re describing of letting body lead first, letting pleasure lead first, a time that you have experienced, like, I call it a contraction, a crunchiness, you know, a dip, whatever you want to call it, and how you have led yourself through that how you’ve used some of these tools of like pleasure in the body to really support you in rising from a fall.

How a pleasure-first approach can help you rise from a fall

Ashae
Yeah, absolutely. So we all know, in this industry, if we’re launching something that we’ve put a lot of effort into, we care about so much, if there’s ever any contraction in that, it’s like, Ouch, that hurts like this thing is the thing that I’m just channeled from the heavens, and it’s my heart and right. Last year 2021, I launched the quantum year, which is my year long membership program. And I was launching it over the course of five days, I did a five day master class. And it was the first day the first master class, I felt so good doing it, I felt so alive. And I felt so excited. It was It felt clear, like people are joining. And I ended the live and I looked in my inbox, and I was totally expecting like 10 people, 15 people, because that has totally happened before in my business. And I get off and there’s zero people that join, I was like, oh, right, like that moment. Because the it was different this time, because I felt that at the beginning stages of my business, first year, second year, etc. But this is like it came from a place have I’ve been doing this for so long. I have no question at all that people are going to join. And then I was questioning it. So it was this really interesting, like bringing myself back into a reality that I had experienced in my younger years as a coach, and what you know, my clients undoubtedly experience. But yeah, I ended up. And by the way, like, it ended up being such a gorgeous, expansive, beautiful lunch, but that those first like, three hours were where it was, like, all really alive. And what I ended up doing, because I felt that contraction inside of my body is I put my phone down, I got in my car without my phone, I went for a long walk. And I just allowed myself to walk through all of the fears to walk through all of the emotions that were alive. Like, what if I’m rejected? What if people don’t like me? What if it doesn’t work like all this stuff, which is totally natural, in various stages of our business growth. And on that walk, I was I was holding my inner child, I was like bringing out all the tools I was tapping, I was crying, I was just like, doing all of the pieces to alchemize what was alive.

And by the end of the call I looked at I mean, by the end of the walk, I looked at my my phone and it was still kind of like one person or something like that. And it just felt so shocking to me. So I turned my phone off and I went into full blown just like personal self care all night, I like was taking a bath and massaging myself and really come the essence of it is coming back to the place of at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter because number one, my worst is not dependent on if people are join or not. Number two people are going to join this was the first hour that they could like it’s actually pretty silly. Like, you know, I just started like, finding all of the reasons why it totally made sense. And yeah, by the end of the launch, I think like 100 Something joined that within the next few days. So it totally shifted it. But I don’t know if that would happen if all the people would have joined if I didn’t be with what came up. If I didn’t take myself and give myself the time to really be present for whatever I was Feeling, which was all kinds of things, these are the moments that I feel that we grow as entrepreneurs the most. And contractions are a place to find more of our power every time, it’s not that you ever did something wrong, or it’s got that when our brain says I must have done something wrong, is when we take the backdoor out of allowing ourselves to just be vulnerable emotional beings and also in our power at the same time. So we have to learn how to be with these moments and get through them so that we not only open our hearts and our space to show up in service the next day, because things don’t get put on hold, right. Like, and it’s, it’s interesting when people have challenges with consistency, I often say like, schedule things in every day that you can’t not show up to make it a real business, like, really go up to it every day. And then it will be what you want. Because what’s happening most of the time in people’s worlds is just the emotional downward spiral. And then the convincing that you cannot have it your way or do it you’re wanting what you want, or that it’s not going to work for you. But we’re all emotional beings. And we all have these moments come up. So that was a way for me like a moment that was really strong for me that showed me how important it is and how natural it is and how normal it is and how it’s just a part of this work.

Cait
Yes so good Ashae and I love the way that you spoke about putting your phone down and really honoring the fact that there was a lot of like, there was a lot of expectation and a lot of desire. And when that wasn’t met in the moment that you expected and wanted it to, you knew that you needed to let go and to go and do something else and have a change of state and really prioritize like feeling good in your body. And I love what you said as well about detaching your worth from the outcome. And I think this is like, rewind that, guys listen to that, again, because that part is so important. I think for so many people, when we are in launch for those of us who are coaches, entrepreneurs, especially when we are our brand, it can feel like the two are in, you’re connected. So it wasn’t just no one signed up in the first hour it was like, but also maybe I’m rejected completely wholly as a being. And as a creator. And it’s so beautiful that you were able to kind of parse that out and say, Actually, these two are distinct. Actually, my worth is infinite can’t be touched like unshakeable. And that that allowed the space for you to clear and to move through feeling not denying and not just mind setting, but like actually feeling and clearing that so that the 100 people could sign up. And even if they hadn’t signed up, which is like a beautiful result. But even if they hadn’t, it was already moved through your system, it didn’t matter. And I love what you said, especially my mom is out here will appreciate this, when you were like contractions are an invitation to contact more of our power. I’m like, I’m channeling USA, I’m gonna be like, as I’m giving birth in nine weeks. But truly I’m like taking a birth course right now, which is all about, like, harnessing the power of contraction and like it’s so I mean, this is a whole other topic. But when you said that, like the parallels between literally bringing life into the world, like we have to do that through embracing contraction, not just like, conceptualizing that, yeah, we know we need to go through it, but like, actually embracing it. And so your wisdom for us in that and how it relates the crunchiness and the contraction. It is healthy, it is normal, and it’s about how we embrace it and use it to source more of our power. That’s such a gem. This is so good to say I feel like we could just keep rocking and rolling for another two hours. But for those of our listeners who haven’t followed your work before are new to your world. Tell us a what you’ve got coming up and be where we can connect with you find more of you and just follow along with all the magic you’re putting out into the world. Definitely.

Ashae
For those of you who are listening on the podcast that’s coming out, there should be my launch of Meta Mentor. So this is all of the wisdom that I’ve learned as a mentor of how to hold clients more powerfully, what to do when something flops, how to hold a mastermind container, how to hold a master class, like everything that you really need to learn to be an ethic mentor in this industry. So those are the two things that are really live and really present. And as always, just you can come play with me on my instagram, @ashaesundara. And that’s it. That’s fun.

Cait
So good. I say thank you so much for your time and your wisdom and your energy and just all the beautiful pioneering you’re doing in this space. It’s incredible. And this was such a rich conversation.

Ashae
Thank you so much. And I so agreed such a pleasure. So much fun to share space with you.

Cait
So good. Thank you all for tuning in. Send us a DM you guys, let us know what your biggest takeaway is. Whether you watch this on the live, whether you listen to this on the podcast, this episode is going to be coming out on the Born to rise podcast, my podcast in a few weeks, so you’re gonna be able to hear it and listen back to it there. And let us know what your biggest takeaway was. We’d love to hear from you. So thank you so much again, I say and thank you all for listening.