Cait: Hello, this is Cait Scudder of the Born To Rise podcast and I could not be more excited to have the one and only Daje James here. Daje thank you so much for being here.
Daje: Thank you for inviting me. So juicy.
Cait: Well, where to start? We could literally talk about everything for about 14 hours without even stopping. For our listeners, even as I was just reading your bio, I just feel this deep and profound exhale. The work that you do in this world is really standing in the liminal spaces, really pulling together so many different threads for entrepreneurs, creatives, visionaries, who have something big to put out in the world, something big to express, and yet who aren’t willing to just do it in a conventional way and be confined by conventional terminology processes.
Tell us about that first line, the beauty is found in the tension. Tell us about how you came to love playing in this liminal space?
Why Beauty Is Found In The Tension
Daje: I don’t think I’ve ever been asked that question before and I love it. I love the question. I was a preteen even when I began to name, this was where I liked to be. It was just elusive at that point. But I knew I love to be in the imaginal realm. My favorite book was Anne of Green Gables because she validated this truth that was hidden inside of me, that I love the imagination. I love magic. I love the idea that we can literally conceive a thought and bring it to life in a moment. And so from those times in those spaces is really little tender.
My roots were really tender. I was a little bitty sprout. I was in my bedroom and I was writing poetry. I was dancing in the liminal there, and it would take me up into this space with God. And I will just be there imagining things, imagining what life could be like. And then over time that naturally led me into so many different limbs of faith, which I was a Christian, I don’t necessarily identify with being a Christian anymore from that point.
I just really grew up in this fundamental place, very, very strict, very strict religious household. I only was allowed to wear dresses that came below my knees. And we were only allowed to read a certain version of the Bible and the narrative that I was given about what women were allowed to be was, you can be the piano player at church, you can be a pastor’s wife. You can be a nanny, you can be a nurse, you can do things that help other people. But you’re not allowed to be powerful. You’re not allowed to speak out. You’re not allowed to have opinions. You’re not allowed to speak your mind. I remember a switch flipped in me when I was in high school, and I heard our pastor speaking. I went home and I wrote this entire essay about how we have much more to learn from Islamic people, or Islamic brothers and sisters, than we do to hate them. Like we can’t do that anymore. Because they would rather put their lives on the line for their faith, they have such devotion inside of them. They have touched something, they know something that we don’t know because all we’re doing is sitting in the pulpit and gossiping about other people instead of being in our dreams.
That’s how many other pulpits and stages have humanity operated on, just bashing folks and tearing everybody down? Rather than just being Okay, so what is possible? What can happen? So yeah, this switch flipped in me and I started this journey into finding myself and finding out what is my voice sound. Who am I, as a person, as a woman? I got married at 19, got divorced at 23. Went through all of those portals of initiation to come to this point of I love the interior realm. I love the fact that we all have these entire worlds inside of us waiting to be looked at. And it’s just play. And it’s the imaginal realm. And it really turns me on. I love it.
Cait: So beautiful. I’m just yes, yes, yes, it’s so powerful to hear your story of an upbringing of this one way very narrow framework for what’s possible, and how so much of your expanse has just unraveled and really reimagined completely, all of those frameworks that you were given. It’s so inspiring to hear and what I find so inspiring and beautiful about you.
Daje, among so many things,you’re speaking so beautifully to this love for the interior world. And yet you have built a career or business or brand, whatever we want to call it. Can we talk about even though how the language doesn’t do any of that even justice? You’ve built a way to operate in the world, serve people, generate money that is so devoted to number one, helping other people be in touch with their own internal world and finding a way to bring that out. And I’m curious if you could, this is an impossible question. But if you could summarize the heartbeat of your work in supporting creatives, visionaries, entrepreneurs, who don’t just want to climb some different version of a corporate ladder that we are now seeing in the entrepreneurial round. But root true, creative, visionary souls to birth what’s inside of them.
Your Instagram handle is the Story Doula, so talk to us about that and about your work and helping creatives really birth their internal world out into the world.
How She Helps Creatives Birth Their Internal World
Daje: I just believe that every single person on earth has what it takes. They have the tools and materials they need inside of them. It doesn’t matter what their actual physical capacities are, or where they came from, or how old they are, they have inside of them, the power to imagine and craft the world that we want to live in. And that is a shared collective power that we get to individually decide to tap into. Because I believe that the world is the figment of somebody’s imagination.
Adrian Marie Round said it. She said it in pleasure activism, this is a figment of somebody’s twisted imagination, and they just believe that they could do it. So what if people who are here in wholeness or here just in curiosity, not even arrive, just having a figment of a thought of what would it looked like to live with wholeness, to live in connection, to live in abundance, to live in wealth, to live in relationship with the land and each other? What would it look like? And then every single person has their own answer to that. I just feel this fire to see that activated in some way. Even if it’s pulling on one tender or one thread, one chord that is inside of every single person and inspiring them and encouraging them to bring it out. It’s enough.
Cait: So beautiful and so powerful. Powerful in the fact that you hold space for people to even listen to those inner nudges and find those internal tendrils and be brave enough to let some of that come out. I’m curious in the people that you support Daje, and you’ve got all these incredible containers and offerings and ways in which you support individuals to go into that process, what you find are some of the resistance points or some of the hesitation points.
I feel you speaking so beautifully and resonantly right now to this soul frequency, God frequency, creator frequency that we all have. That we are infinite in our capacity to imagine and create, and birth beauty and connect and all of that. And yet, we pay rent or a mortgage, and put gas in our cars, or charge them at a Tesla site.
We’re living in this 3d reality while being these multi-dimensional beings. Before we started recording today, you just said something so beautiful about your own inquiry of bridging the gap between operating in the matrix and living from your essence. I imagine that is to a degree a core inquiry that so many other creatives find themselves in. So I’m just curious what those conversations are feeling both in the people you work with and what that conversation is internally for you right now.
What The Conversation Looks Like Internally
Daje: Whoo, this is a juicy one, I’m going to try to make my way through it. Because like you said, I’m still unpacking this for myself. I’m still making sense of this for myself, but it is in the making sense that we can just bring it to the table and see what we can do with this, see what we can imagine with this. So with my current client base, it’s so funny because demographically, they’re all over the place. It’s mostly women, mostly femmes mostly. And then nonbinary people are most of the people who find our way into my sphere. But mostly what people are looking at is Okay, if they’re in the physical matrix, they’re in this world, they’re wondering, Do I have permission to be this other side of myself that can literally see the future?
Do you know what? Yes, do I have permission to identify with this side of myself that can feel multiple possibilities in my bones and can choose and speak be in that God frequency. Will I lose my house or my car if I decide to lean into that realm? I feel what people mostly struggle with is the fact that we have an either-or society. We’re used to you only get to pick one. You can’t have both. But I just feel like you can have both.
I was literally talking to clients this week, over and over and over again of we got to learn how to play the game. We’re living on a board game. The game you open up, Risk, if anybody’s ever played Risk it’s like 50 million pieces. You got to know what these pieces do. You got to open up the instruction manual and look at it, but then once you know the game and once you know the board, you can reimagine how the whole game operates because it’s literally cardboard and plastic.
Cait: At the end of the day, it’s so liberating to think about it like that and I love that analogy. I’m just thinking about what you said about living in an either-or society and yet being such multidimensional humans. I feel that it’s so beautiful to be talking about this the conversation that I have been really in my own deep inner inquiry and speaking with clients about as it relates to branding is like allowing more of ourselves especially when we are a quote-unquote personal brand. Our brand stands for XYZ. People see Daje James, they think embodied strategy, they think creative process, they think Story Doula, and yet there are all these other components to you that will never be captured in an Instagram story, that will never be encapsulated on one audio bite of your podcast, that that could never fully be known.
I’m really interested in what is it that makes us feel? This is rhetorical. I would love your thoughts on this. What is it that makes us feel that we’re not allowed to bring all of that to the table? Where did that come from? That idea that it’s not actually safe to go there? I know you talk a lot about the fear of being seen maybe there’s something of that in it what are your thoughts on that?
Daje: I have some theories. I think we think that this is a story. It’s a memory that has been fortified over and over and over again, that lives in the collective Soma.
Cait: For those of us who are not familiar with your work, and who don’t know the collective Soma, that sounds really interesting. What is that?
What Is Collective Soma?
Daje: You know how your body has a nervous system? It has a Soma, it has this system of channels and cords that connect and create information, DNA that informed the way that you live your life. A lot of the times, especially if you’ve been through particularly traumatic events in your life, you have memories lodged into your actual tissue, your cells in your body, that inform your instinctual nature.
So part of the healing of that is somatic therapy, which is a powerful way to heal that or to address it even but it’s about really looking at, okay, how can I liberate myself so that I have full ownership of who I am in the world? I’m not run by my trauma, run by my memories, run by my fears of everything, because of very valid experiences that we’ve had.
Of course, just like the body has a Soma, and Rasma Americium, if you are familiar with his work. Rasma talks about it in my grandmother’s hands. Adrian Marie Brown talks about it in Eemergent Strategy, she touches on it. But the collective humanity, the human race, and then also certain parts of the world, we have shared memories, we have shared collective Soma, nodal points, points of history that contain information, that inform how we instinctually operate as a species.
So when we can begin to look at that, and look at the layers of that, and see this is not a thought that comes through me. The fact that I’m not allowed to be the full expression of myself, is not an innate part possibility that I have in my being. This comes from my culture. This comes from the collective, the body that I exist inside of. So in order for me to be liberated, I have to disconnect, I have to de cord myself from the possibilities and limitations that exist inside of this culture, and begin to define them for myself.
Cait: So powerful. Wow. That thinking about the ways in which we carry memories that aren’t even necessarily ours, they could be generational, they could be embodied in and living in a way that is beyond even consciousness or rational thought. It’s so powerful to think about that reclamation that you’re describing and speaking about, and remembering that that ability and instincts to share and be all of who we are is that natural state and all this stuff, clogging it up over the top is a lot of the time inherited. It’s really super, super powerful. I know that you use this phrase a lot Daje, and for our listeners who resonate with it, what does it mean to have an embodied strategy?
What It Means To Have Embodied Strategy
Daje: For me, it comes from the very same thought we were just pondering upon. It’s the fact that within every single human being lies the ability to decide what happens next. We have an instinctual nature, every single person, everyone is innately on a survivor level. Even strategic and being able and willing to own that, to me is the first step into what I call self-initiation.
Saying, I don’t need to outsource my authority to another person, or to another system, in order to at least be able to perceive and conceive the possibilities in front of me. So when I can start from that place, when I can start from the place that I have it in me already, I have the whole plan of the whole world inside of me already, I have a tendril of a piece, then I can begin to step in and say, Okay, now what needs to begin, what can unfold? I feel that doesn’t necessarily fit into the world of marketing.
Cait: Right, which is all based on I know something that you don’t. It’s based a lot of the time on a lack frequency it’s catering to and literally speaking to those elements in other people have you don’t have this thing? I know this thing paid for this thing, and then you’re gonna get the secret?
Daje: Yeah. I don’t feel very interested in that, I just don’t feel interested, I feel more interested in helping people wake up to themselves and helping people wake up to their inner authority. The frameworks that I use are well, let’s just go look at nature and then let’s delineate, let’s pull what we have learned from nature into the internet. Because the internet is nature, the internet is a whole dimension inside of our reality. I could talk about the internet for a long time, because we want to tell empathize, we want to talk to each other. Then we created this entire realm to share information more frequently. It’s a manifestation of the collective Soma, if we want to see it that way. So why wouldn’t it work on our terms? What I’m saying? Beautiful, digital strategy can be a direct image of how we naturally run energy through our bodies.
Cait: So powerful, and so radically different. It makes so much sense, as you’re saying this, I’m like, yes, duh. And yet, we don’t operate that way. 99% of the time, we’re thinking about deadlines, and Google meeting alerts and all the rest and not in the realm of Hey, this is a manifestation of the collective Soma, which is based on this inherent natural wisdom. That’s not how we’re seeing it so much of the time.
I love how you talked about observing nature and pulling that into our work. I know, when we met in Tennessee on Cait’s retreat, you spoke so beautifully. All our minds were just so blown about fertile frameworks, and specifically as we think about creating frameworks that are more sustainable, more holistic, more spacious, in their creation, in the online marketing world, if you will, in the realm of content creation, and branding, how do we do these things from a place of not just integrity, but remembering who and what we actually are?
How To Create Frameworks From A Place Of Integrity
Daje: There’s so many different ways I can come into that. One thing that is coming to me right now is the fact that when we get on the internet, we think that we’re just sharing content. We think that we’re just sharing things like the bytes of data that people are engaging in. But what we’re actually sharing is a frequency, what we’re actually sharing is our energy, we are infusing every single thing that we do with our essence, it’s our essence. And so how do we dose that out? How do we make sense of that? How do we put that on a storyline and begin to unfurl and understand a customer journey, a UX experience, through the lens of story? Because that’s all it is, when you boil it down to it.
All branding is the story that your customer believes about your business. Brand strategy is getting intentional about shaping that story, so that they get the truth, they get the authentic real connection that you want to have with them. When we come onto the internet, and we approach digital strategy or content strategy, it’s all about just getting, what one of my mentors says, daringly intentional about how we shaped that story, how we shape that narrative and create that exchange. Using the dance of who we are. We are the dance, we are the story, we are a poem, we are thought, a cause. Why does that go away as soon as we hop on the internet? It doesn’t.
Some people get off on creating research papers and dialoguing in that way. That’s their poetry. Some people are giving me rhythm give me I am MC meter, give me all of that. And that’s also poetry. And it all belongs in the story of how we connect and making meaning and exchange in the marketplace.
So fertile frameworks, is taking that and saying, Well, what is the natural progression of a story? Well, we have the exposition, we find out all of the character’s backstory, and what they are going through, and we’re dropped in. Then we have this powerful climax, and it starts over again. Because in Book Two it’s going to be a whole other experience, right? So it’s walking with the dance of story. Using a design, using the theories of design.
A Simple Three-Step Framework
I use a very simple three-step framework for literally every single thing I do in my business. I’ve been using it since I was working in the corporate world, because I used to send 10s and 1000s of emails every single day and design them and write them for the finance company. I also used to do all of the design stuff and design their social media policy. That was a long time ago, that was like 2013. But I did that. And that was really fun.
But really what made it successful was saying, okay, story and design are the same thing. So how do we name the stages? How do we name the steps it takes to get to an outcome? That’s a framework. And then how do we make that story, those stages and build level two,? That’s framework, that’s digital strategy. In my mind, it’s cyclical, it starts over again and again and again and again. It begins right at the beginning of the story. Evaluation, what’s going on here? Who is my customer? Who am I? What am I getting? What am I building? What am I birthing, What are they wanting to prove? What are they wanting to bring to the world narrative design? What does it look like? How can we begin to imagine what the bones are going to look like? What’s the wireframe look like? What is the blueprint look like? What does it look like on the screen of the imaginal realm?
Then the creative execution for me is, okay, how do we bring that from the imagination into physical 3D reality and make that sustainable? And we started over again. Okay, what’s new? What’s new about this? And asking those questions. So that’s how nature works. It’s fractal. It builds upon the last tendril of thought that we brought down here from the imaginal realm to take a life of its own in the world.
Cait: So powerful and so permission-giving to think about that pattern being not only applicable to but inherent in the way that we run our businesses. It’s the work that you do. This fertile framework that you’re putting forward is both so revolutionary and so totally new. It’s magic channeled through you. That makes so much sense.
You spoke to this a little bit now. I can’t remember exactly how, there was either a phrase or a word that you use to describe in. You talked about those multiple-stage but in that initiatory process, in that beginning stage, the importance of being in dialogue, posing questions to not just our audience, it will partially be our audience. But being in communication and in dialogue with the people that we are sharing programs with or digital courses with or whatever. The importance of the conversation, which is market research. So what is that and why is that important for conscious creatives to have as a part of their process of being a business being a brand being a creative guide for others?
Why Conversations Are So Important For Conscious Creatives
Daje: Well, you asked earlier, what are some of the biggest tension points that come up with the people that I serve? It is so vulnerable, to step into the ring and begin to ask questions in service of the collective. It’s so vulnerable to get curious. Because it’s no longer individual, it immediately becomes collective, right? So this is the place where I walk with people, the deepest of, Alright, let’s do some market research.
I don’t know if you see your work, but it doesn’t mean you have to be like Walmart and send the email with smiley faces. Not having to do that. But remembering that the work that you’re here to bring the concept, the thought the spark, whatever it is that you want to call it, that you’re here to bring into the collective. Yes, it lights you up. Yes, it serves you, but it also serves them. So how do we turn our creations toward the people that we’re here to serve in a way that actually serves them in a way that actually says, I’m here for your expansion, I’m here for your evolution, I’m here for you. As you say, I’m here for you to rise. I’m here for you to awaken to yourself and to do to new dimensions of yourself.
So this word can’t just be about me. I think that’s what a lot of people get wrong about breathing. I even feel a little tension in my heart because it’s a point of grief in my work of I just want to be with people. Also this is not just about us, it has our essence, it contains so much of who we are. But it’s not about me. It’s about the fact that everything that we do is like a web, it’s a network, I am a part of the collective Soma. I am literally shifting history by choosing to be in right relationship with my energy. That’s what that’s about. Being in right relationship with what other people are bringing to the table. That’s what that’s about.
So the classic, typical marketing tools actually do serve the bigger vision on a massive, bigger scale than we could even think of. We’re returning towards service. I think it’s worth being said that a lot of folks don’t trust it, because it has been used to manipulate the collective. These tools have been used to manipulate all of us into forgetting who we are. But I just really truly firmly believe that these, it’s plastic and cardboard, this can be used a different way.
Cait: Yeah, I hear you in that. The analogy that comes to mind is there’s so much expansive permission around reimagining what marketing, what branding, what selling an offer get to be. You’re talking about these tools of digital marketing, of marketing strategy have been used as weapons to manipulate the masses. It’s like a knife. A knife can brutally murder someone or a knife can slice open a juicy August tomato and make the most beautiful meal. It’s what we do with the tool, not the tool itself.
You have just touched on something so important. What it brings up for me, Daje, is a conversation that I’ve been having with a lot of people in my world, and just really deepening into myself is around unlocking leadership that is benevolent. It’s almost like what you’re describing of this work is so much bigger than me. I’m just part of the web. I’m part of the collective Soma. That is true.
The other piece that you just said of me being in the right relationship with my energy is changing history. That quote is just reverberating in my ears. It’s so powerful. We can’t downplay the fact that yes, we are part of the collective. It’s not about me, it’s about us. Yet, if I am not in all of my mind magnificence, the collective suffers. So there’s this dual edge of what does it look like. We’re collectively reimagining something for the collective right now, jointly reimagining but what does it look like to be in leadership that is both bold and accepting of the power and wisdom coming through and also humble enough to acknowledge this isn’t actually about me at all?
How To Be A Bold Yet Humble Leader
Daje: Yes, absolutely. This is also a big conversation that is happening in circles that I’m adjacent to. Does leadership even belong anymore? I totally, absolutely believe leadership belongs. We need leadership in our society. We need to totally rewire the way we even think about leadership. I’ve been really turned on by the thought of heterarchy over hierarchy. I think they both actually belong. They’re like Yin and Yang, in our society.
I think we do need some hierarchy and we do need heterarchy. We know what hierarchy is, which is a stack of systems that inform each other from a top-down in a sense, Mama and child type. We need that. But there’s also heterarchy, which I don’t feel like I’ve seen. I explored a lot and I’m stepping into, holding both, straddling both in my work and in my business of heterarchy is like all the nodal points, all the parts of the entire system have equal input and equal value to the growth of the collective or the growth of the culture. The literal actual culture what I’m saying that’s doing this goodness and beauty.
When any part of that system, any person, any nodal point, is not in correct relationship with their output, or their value to the whole, the entire system fails. It is no longer header article isn’t even higher article. It’s just not working.
Cait: That’s so powerful. I love this inquiry and conversation. The thought that comes up for me there is number one, that’s really disruptive, right? Especially for people who want it, who are used to sitting at the top of the hierarchy, it feels really disruptive to be Whoa, whoa, whoa, that node over there, that’s below me. I’m the top node. There’s no top node in this other way. So it’s disruptive for those in the top down approach for those on the top.
But it’s also disruptive for classically, traditionally, those who have felt like I’m not at the top, I’m part of a hierarchy. But I’m just a student, or just a learner, or not an expert. I am just the absorber of information, not the holder of ancient wisdom. It’s disruptive because now there’s nowhere to hide in a heterarchy. If you are an equal participant you can hide anywhere. And that’s scary, right?
What Integrated Leaderhip Looks Like
I’m curious in the exploration that you’re doing, and in your work your clients might be dodgy now. You’ve gone to for pharmacy? That’s the part where they get freaked out. We’re talking about leadership and reimagining what leadership even looks like. And yet, it’s almost like this way, this heterachial way of leadership is really asking everyone to recognize their own inherent qualities of leadership that don’t necessarily traditionally look like the loud, booming voice that gets all the attention.
Daje: Exactly, exactly. That’s where I’m like Ooh, this is for me, and my own exploration of this, this is where it gets juicy, because what happens when every single person or every part of that noodle system believes in their own innate power, right? They believe in their own
instinctual nature to go and be a part of nourishment coming into the ecosystem and feeding everybody what if? I don’t know what if every part of the whole ecosystem just understood, my role is neither less than or more than the other?
Cait: It’s so powerful. This is actually a concept that we’re exploring right now in the mastermind that I’m a part of. Kate’s work is just so beautifully informed by the natural world and we’re talking about this concept of not mimicry. What’s the word I’m looking for? Reciprocity or how there’s that big hippopotamus type thing and the bird that cleans its mouth like mutualism. That’s the word I’m looking for but it’s it that somehow feels connected to this heterarchy cool piece.
Daje: I hadn’t even thought of that until you just brought that up. But all parts of an ecosystem, it’s not just like the fucking lion is the only one on the savanna. There are all other microbes and down to the tiniest invisible creatures to the macro that all make it all happen.
Even as we’re saying this, I’m like, Yeah, but our hierarchy still plays a role in all of this is. Again, back into the both of both. That’s why I believe that having integrated leadership and what integrated leadership is, it’s the book and have this is the vision of who we can be and where we’re at. This over here. Hierarchy is also the vision of who we can be and where we’re at. The only difference between what we’re seeing and what we’re avoiding is just how are we in relationship to our own power and our own essence, their own energy, right? In both systems. are we in the right relationship to our power? That’s what I believe that leadership is. It’s being in right relationship with our power. It’s taking sacred responsibility, as my friend Madison Morgan says, sacred responsibility for how we show up in the world, and how our essence impacts the other.
Cait: On every level powerful, so powerful. I love that definition of integrated leadership. It’s so being in right relationship with your power. So profound and such an invitation for every single person listening, for all of us, for me like to just remember, it’s about the internal relationship that we have with our own power, not downplaying it, not grandstanding it. There’s something about inherent recognition of our deep worthiness accepting the mission, almost accepting the holiness, accepting the divinity, accepting that we are so powerful, and not making ourselves more powerful than anyone else. It’s we are both God incarnate and we’re friggin dirt.
Daje: Yeah, but this is my favorite. This is my favorite definition of humility is not making yourself smaller. It’s about recognizing exactly what you have to hold. It’s about recognizing what exactly is there being in the right relationship, literally, with what you have. If what you have is an entire tidal wave, bring it to the table, to say that it belongs.
Cait: So beautiful. Oh, my gosh, this is amazing. I can’t believe we’re already nearly an hour in. We could literally do a 55-hour long podcast and it wouldn’t be enough. This is such a rich conversation and I am beyond grateful for you and to bring your voice and your medicine and your wisdom to this show and to our listeners. I’m so excited for people to stay connected with you. Tell us where you hang out on these digital realms. How can people stay connected with you and be in this juicy conversation that you are facilitating?
Daje: Absolutely. I’m mostly on Instagram at The Story Doula. You can also find me on my website.
Cait: So beautiful. One question I always ask on the show as a concluding question. If you had to leave our listeners with one pearl of wisdom on their journeys of rising into their full power and potential. What would you say?
Daje: Celebrate your individualization. Celebrate your specific cut of light in the world. Everybody is different. There is no oh, all of these people are the same. Everybody is unique. Everyone. The more that we can celebrate us and others being differentiated, the more space and power we feel we might find that we have
Cait: So powerful. Daje, thank you so much for being on the show for all of your wisdom and your brave, beautiful work posing some of the most important questions. I honestly feel are being asked on the internet right now. I feel deeply grateful to know you and to be in this conversation with you. So thank you so much. For those of you listening, definitely check out the show notes. All of the links are going to be there to Brave School, her amazing digital container. And you have an upcoming mastermind coming out soon. Is that right?
Daje: Yes. So we are launching Resonance Mastermind I’m really excited about it. It is for those who are standing at the very brink, the wild-hearted, the highly intuitive, sensitive folks who are seeing beyond what we can even fathom in our 3D realm. To imagine and craft the world we want to live in. It’s for those who really want to begin to own their voices in which beauty with their medicine in the world, on another level. So I’m really excited for it. We start October 1, and we begin onboarding in September.
Cait: Well, we will definitely put a link if you are resonant with di j and all of her wisdom and message. You can go ahead and check that out. And then all those other links including Insta to stay connected di j thank you so much for being here.