Cait
You guys today my guest is the one and only Kathrin Zenkina founder of Manifestation Babe. Now some of you may know Kathrin from her incredible Instagram account her rocking Facebook group of over 50,000 Boss Babes, or her most recent goal cast video which has had millions and millions of views since its debut in March 2019. Kathrin is the founder of manifestation babe the personal development mindset coaching and success strategy brand for women who are hungry for more in life. Manifestation babe was created for people who are obsessed with taking their life to the next level unleashing their inner magic, breaking through their limitations and manifesting a reality wilder than their wildest dreams. Kathrin obtained a bachelor’s degree in biology when she decided to forgo medical school, pick up the book The Secret and reentered herself into the world of the law of attraction. Before creating manifestation babe in 2016 Kathrin was $25,000 in debt you guys and making less than $1,600 a month in income with her failing online business. Reality check this is being recorded in 2019. And my interview with Kathrin was last year in summer of 2018. So we’re talking in not that long she was able to turn it around. Since starting on Instagram as at manifestation babe her business has generated over $1.25 million in the last 12 months. She has built a coaching Empire becomes an acclaimed Amazon Author of unleash your inner money babe created the rich babe Academy built an online community of 100,000 plus followers and has been featured in podcasts and well known online magazines. You can learn more about Kathrin’s and kina and the manifestation babe community at manifestation babe.com Or her Instagram account at manifestation babe Kathrin and I had this conversation you guys now almost seven to eight months ago, but it is still I just had to listen back to it. And wow, is it one of the most powerful conversations I’ve ever had. This is a woman who truly walks her talk and is so good at explaining the nuances of how to use manifestation which is a tool that I think for a lot of us feels quite nebulous. Kathrin is so good at breaking it down into practical actionable steps that you can use to start using manifestation to create the results and the life that you desire. So give a listen and make sure that you head on over to iTunes to leave us your review. And rating if you enjoyed this. I hope you guys love this episode. It’s one of my favorites. And without further ado, here’s Kathrin Zenkina. Kathrin, thank you so much for being here. It’s so awesome to have you on the show.

Kathrin
Thank you so much for having me. I’m super excited to be here.

Cait
Yeah, it’s so amazing. So as I mentioned to you just a minute ago, I’m based in Croatia right now at the moment. Where are you? Where are you at the moment? I know we interview people from all over?

Kathrin
Yeah, so typically, I would be all over the world. But for the last, I don’t know, six to eight weeks now I’ve been home in LA.

Cait
Awesome. And that’s your base. It is yeah. And

Kathrin
it’s so funny because for the last nine months, I’ve spent a total of two to three days a month in my apartment. And now it’s like finally like I have a I have a consistent routine again until I start traveling again. So it’s kind of nice.

Cait
So nice. I know it’s always that push pull. I feel you were like loving on the road but love being at home with their dogs. Right. Well, it’s so so good to have you on the show. And yeah, as I was mentioning to you before we started recording I came onto your work through a friend who attended one of your retreats actually in Bali, which is where my husband I had been based for a while and when I saw that you were this mindset and manifestation guru. I was like, oh, yeah, follow. And I’ve just been loving Yeah, loving loving your vibe and loving the work that you put out there. And I’m curious if you could tell us a little bit on about how you got into the mindset work and the manifestation or kind of built this empire for yourself.

Kathrin
Yeah, thank you so much. So my story really begins about 10 years ago, when you know the secret the book or the movie I came across as a book, my friend handed handed it to me while I was in high school, I was in 10th grade. And I was the science nerd at the time, like very logical, very left brain, I was really conditioned to be like that, because my mom always stressed how important school is, how important it is to get an education. I come from an immigrant background where I was taught, you know, hard work, and hustle is the key to success. It’s all about the American dream. And that I’m basically carrying on the legacy of the family. So I better become a doctor and get good grades. So I was really conditioned to it pretty much trained myself to get good grades, because it’s so funny. When I look back to elementary school and middle school, I would always get like C’s and DS. I don’t know how you get C’s and D’s in elementary school, but I would get those because my I’m just so bored. And I wanted to be creative. And I kind of shut that down because I really was craving. You know, my mom’s love my parents love. I wanted them to accept me. So I trained myself to get good grades be very textbook II. And I pretty much went on to pursue a biology degree and so on. But at this time in my life, my friend out of nowhere, it was like the most divine now that I look back of back at it, it was like nothing sparked this conversation. There’s no reason for her to hand me this book. But for some reason I was over at her house. And she was like, Kathrin, you need to read this book. This is how my grandpa has everything that he wants. This is how he doesn’t work for money, money works for him, and go home and read it. And I’m like, wait, what? Okay, this sounds kind of cool. As a 16 year old, of course, like, you know, we don’t have money. So I’m like, Yeah, you know, my mom didn’t let me work a job because I had to study study studies. I was like, Yeah, I want to, I want money to work for me, I want everything I want. So I went home, I read it cover to cover and I was just like, so obsessed. And that kind of carried me forward into this personal development journey that was very secretive, like I’d be doing my, my studying. And then on the side, I’d be reading Dr. Wayne Dyer looking into Bob Proctor. Watching the secret the movie because I read it first and doing all these things and kind of was kind of this closet mindset nerd. And it kind of like left me because of course, like societal conditioning, it’s not the cool thing to do. And then I went to college. And so I didn’t really you know, manifest anything epic into my life. But I do remember it completely changing the way that I saw things. I was always aware that there is this force that’s greater than us and striving, our realities. And then around the time when I started my mlm business, in college in junior year, we were always preached that like personal development is everything. The more personal development you do, the more successful you’re going to be. And I was like, oh my god, I love this stuff. Because I’ve been doing it since I was 16 years old. And if this is the key that I finally connected, I was like, if this is the key to success, and more money and more everything that I want, because I’m still a broke college student at this time, then hell yeah, I’m gonna take this stuff seriously.

And I ended up being in this MLM for about two years, until one day where I graduated college, and I realized that I wasn’t really going I didn’t want to go to I told my mom that I don’t want to go to medical school. And that was like a huge, huge thing, huge issue, like, Oh, my God, God. And I was like, you know, I’m gonna pursue online business and we’d be so successful, blah, blah, blah. My parents, of course, didn’t get it at all. I also went to a Tony Robbins seminar called Unleash the Power Within it’s about four days long, really, really impactful. I’m going for the fifth time to this specific event in July in Chicago, and it just completely shifted my life. It really taught me that I wasn’t taking action in my life where I was really going with I was really fear driven and I was very, I procrastinated a lot. I was very hesitant. I wanted success, but I was very away motivated, like it was more like to avoid pain to avoid certain things in my life. And I came home I realized that I was an unfulfilling relationship.

So I ended a seven year relationship. I decided around that time that this mlm business wasn’t quite for me and that I had to make some changes but I didn’t know how to I just knew that I needed to move to Los Angeles because that’s where I grew up. And this is around I was in Seattle at the time. And so I literally made this decision to make all these life changes about five months later, I moved to LA and I ended up on my grandma’s couch and again confused I got a nine five job and of course it was so embarrassing because I was so proud of being this boss Babe and I mean be this online boss Babe and I make all my dreams come true. I never worked a nine to five again. And here I am at a nine to five job as a secretary making $15 an hour. And I was just so lost. And I was like, What is going on? And again, I made this commitment with myself where I’m going to take this stuff really seriously. Like I knew the potential that I had. It was just like this inner knowing I had no certainty, I had no proof of it. I had no proof to this day on a massive scale that you know, the power of mindset and the power of law of attraction and the power of manifestation. I saw bits and pieces throughout the previous 10 years, but I was like, oh my god, I hear all these stories. Like I need to prove this to myself. And so I pretty much went on this experiment, right? This is where manifestation babe comes in, because I went on this like, I think it was it was around March of 2016. And I declared that for the next you know, eight, nine months, whatever is left of the year, till till 2017, I’m going to proceed with my life as if my success is already guaranteed. Like on December 31 2016, everything that I want is going to come true. And I’m going to proceed through life as if success is inevitable. Everything’s working for me. I’m gonna take law of attraction seriously when a manifest cool things into my life. And I’m going to document this journey on social media. And that’s just the vision.

Cait
Boom, done deal.

Kathrin
Yeah. And so that’s where manifestation may have just kind of came upon me. And it wasn’t like very crystal clear what happened at that time. Because now that I look back, I’m like, wow, that was that was actually what happened at the time in my life. I was just really obsessed with all these quotes that I would pick up from books that I was reading at the time. And I really taught my team in my mlm business, the power of law of attraction. I was I was always sharing these powerful quotes with them. And of course, again, even though I wasn’t implementing it, I was really obsessed with it. So I created this Instagram account. And I was like, What do I call it? You know, just the first thing that came to His manifestation that I’m gonna prove to myself that this stuff works and then become a manifestation bebb. And so I started posting, it was literally a basic quote, only account and from then on, I just started sharing stories. I started sharing things in my life lessons I was learning and people started asking me for help. They I created a course it was like a very basic 90 Minute Manifestation course you know, a couple of people buy it here and there. And as time went on, and as I started growing, people were like, Oh, do you coach one on one? Do you do this? Do you do that? And it was so funny, because that decision that I made in March 2016, where I said that by December 31 2016 is like where you know, all the results are going to come in. I was like that your decision that I made. It’s so funny looking back, because that’s really when manifestation took off. It was New Year’s Eve of 2016. And that was the start of everything. It was so crazy.

Cait
That’s amazing. I love hearing like the full trajectory of that story, particularly like this knowing and then it’s like I’m still in the muck and I have this shame and I’m still working the secretary job but like I’m hold you made this decision to hold so fast and so true to the bigger vision that you had and made the choice like so powerfully, okay, I’m going to show up, this is happening, proceeding as if success is already inevitable, which it is. And it was and it became true. I love that so much. And the other thing that really struck me about your story is the turning point was like, I’m going to show up, what do I want to call this, I guess manifestation made that feels good now, boom, running with it, and then starting to share your story. And I think that this is something that I see so much in this space is like, I think that before we started that was definitely true for me like before I started out with my business as well. And I think our a lot of our listeners will be able to identify with this is like that fear of sharing our story, like are we really ready yet to share our story. And I love that for you. It was just like, there’s no turning back. It’s time now showing up now and taking action now and sharing your story. And that was the thing that allowed people to start to see you and then really become interested in what you were doing.

Kathrin
Yeah, I think it’s honestly, it’s the easiest thing to do is to share from your experience and your story because that is the only thing that’s ever going to set you apart. Because there’s so many people can be in the same industry in the same niche, even sharing to the same exact audience. But that audience is going to connect with us all differently because it is not the message that makes us stand out but it’s really our experience with the message our story with that message and how it shaped her life. And I set this affirmation for myself early on this journey where I said that I’m a millennial at the time I was a six figure earner now i I’ve transitioned to giving myself a bigger income goal. But it was like I’m a six figure earner just for being myself, where all I ever have to do every single day is just show up as me share my story. Don’t try to be this expert. And I know everyone says like, You got to be the authority, you got to be this expert in order for people take you seriously. But that’s stuff that evolves in transitions, the more that people see that you are consistent, and that you’re persistent, and that you are authentic, that stuff evolves naturally, like the more that you show up on a consistent basis, people are just going to think of this topic or think of this initiator and you’re immediately going to pop into their mind, because you consistently show up. But if you try to be this expert, then you’re just going to feel like a fraud the whole time.

Because even now, like even to this day where I am today, it’s like I don’t, well, I don’t like I just like I feel weird, calling myself this manifestation expert. Like as if like, I’m the guru, and I know everything I’ve just explained, I have my personal experiences, I’ve helped a lot of people. And I just continue to show up as my authentic self. Another thing based on what you mentioned earlier, a lot of people ask like, but if I don’t have proof, how do I know that my success is inevitable? Like, how do you just make this decision? It sounds crazy. And the one mindset shift that I would love to share with your listeners is that noticing and recognizing that if you’re not happy or fulfilled with where you are, then that means your current strategy isn’t working. So not believing in yourself not having faith not taking action, is that currently working for you? If it isn’t, then by continuing on with that process, that’s called insanity, right, expecting a different result. But doing the same thing, definition of insanity. So you have to try something radically different in order to experience a different result. And unless you’re willing to take that risk, and give up, you know, 7, 8, 9, 12 months of your life, whatever it is, in the grand scheme of things, you know, let’s say you live 100 years, what is seven, eight months, nothing, the grand scheme of things like you can be this reckless risk taker, right for you can give up your life for about seven to eight months. And I promise you, it’s that timeframe, it’s that decision that’s going to make the most impact, where depending on you know, however many years you have to live up to your potential whatever you have left, it’s going to be so much of a better quality of life, because you made that decision earlier on. So don’t wait, start now.

Cait
I love that so so so much. And yes, I think it was what you just said at the end, don’t wait start now. And all of that like put together a reminds me gosh, this is going back maybe a year or more now probably a couple years now to a Marie Forleo TV episode, I was listening to her she says like one of the one of the shortest. One of the best shortcuts for getting over limiting beliefs is just to change the way you act. And I love that and I love that, you know, a big part of your work and yours personal success, but also what you guide your clients and your your followers through is taking action before you feel ready taking action now and looking, you know, anchoring yourself into the evidence of, well, that’s not working, something else is gonna work and you got to take action to make that happen.

Kathrin
Absolutely. It’s funny, because when I teach people about you know, it’s so it’s such a hot topic, right? limiting beliefs, locks, what’s holding you back, we use it in our marketing messages, we, we that’s how we get people into our programs, because we want to we want them to make them feel like there’s something wrong with them. And we have the the fix or the cure for them. The way that I see it is that we’re doing the limiting belief work, of course, is super important. But that’s similar to for instance, like we accumulate physical waste, we go to the bathroom, we release this physical waste, and we move on with our day, right? To set to be focused on your limiting beliefs all the live long day and search for your blocks and figure out what’s wrong with you and figure out you know, where you need to be fixed is like sitting on a toilet and never getting off. It’s like sitting on that emotional, mental, spiritual toilet. And a lot of people never get off that frickin toilet. And so I’m like, yo, like, you don’t have to sit there. Success. Every successful person I know still has limiting beliefs, but they don’t let that hold them back. They they deal with them as they come up as something triggers them, they’ll deal with it. If they’re having a bad day, they’ll deal with it in that moment, but they don’t wake up every morning like Okay, time to focus on my limiting beliefs today to figure them out. Because what if there’s a subconscious one that I’m not aware of? Oh, like that’s gonna hold me back. And then we create all these reasons of why we can’t instead of focusing and moving forward on why we can and just deciding that even though we’re imperfect, even though we could have flaws, even though there’s limiting beliefs, I can still get off that toilet and move on with my life and enjoy my life and for so many people Ball.

Cait
I love that analogy so much. It’s like, yeah, we got another craft round to sit on, come on, like, let’s go. That’s so funny because I think you’re so right. I think that that is really a fixation. It’s yeah, it’s definitely used in marketing. But it’s also, I think it can become almost an obsession to fixate on these things. And it makes so much sense hearing the way that you’re describing this is like, I can see really clearly how law of attraction comes into your work. Because the when the focus is anchored in, this is where it’s at. It’s not about focusing on all the limiting stuff. It’s about where do you want to be? What are you calling in? How are you showing up in your actions and your behaviors to bring that forward, you’re gonna get off that toilet a lot faster.

Kathrin
Exactly. And it’s like, focus more on creating your life and moving forward. And you’re going to attract the law of attraction, more of that forward movement, more of the creation of what you want, as long as you are focusing more time on what’s holding you back, then you’re just going to attract more obstacles, more unnecessary challenges, more reasons to hold yourself back more reasons to be stuck in an action. And that’s like, the one decision that I made two years ago is I refuse to be stuck in an action like, even when I’m not ready, even if I don’t have all the answers. I’m not going to find them unless I actually move down the path because the answers are down the path. And if I’m just standing at the beginning of the path, just wondering and thinking about the what ifs, like I’m never even going to find out what’s on the other side.

Cait
Absolutely. 100% 100%. I love that. So so much. And I’m curious what you would say and like in your if you feel called to sharing your journey as well, you know, how what happens? We’re not stuck in inaction, we’re taking action, we’re moving forward. What do you say to your, to your clients or your followers or in your guided from your own experience, about what happens when we’re taking the action and what’s coming in what we’re manifesting, or what our experience brings in, is like really hard stuff, because and this is one of the big things that the intention of this podcast is to bring to light is, you know, interviews with incredible women like yourself, building incredible movements having massive, massive impact. But we all go through the muck, right, we all go through the grit, and there’s always going to be stuff that is challenging along the way. And I’m curious for you how you’ve applied these principles and really anchor them into your life and into your business to be able to move through and continue to take action, even when things are really tough. And if you feel called to share an experience or a time in your journey that was really challenging and could speak to that, that would be amazing.

Kathrin
Yeah, so I’ve really reframed challenges in my life, because I know that they come up for all of us, and I had to start seeing them from a very productive place. Rather than, you know, seeing my challenges as these things that like, oh, the universe hates me, I’m being punished, like something went wrong here. I’m a horrible manifester, before of a person, which a lot of people get stuck into, I started to see challenges as happening for me. So Tony Robbins talks a lot about how life is happening for you, not to you, that is an affirmation, a story, a statement, whatever you want to call it, that are really took on my took upon myself, to where every time I see a challenge happen, I know it’s happening for my evolution for my growth. And one of the best places to learn something from is when it’s attached to pain. So when there’s some sort of pain attached to something, we are going to learn the lesson so much faster. And sometimes the universe hands us this gift, this gift of temporary pain so that we can take on this important lesson that’s actually going to improve our life. I see you know, I don’t just talk about law of attraction, I talk about all these other laws of manifestation as well, with one of them being the law of polarity, and how there’s no way in hell, we can appreciate the good as much as we do. If there were if there wasn’t any bad in our life to if there wasn’t any negativity. Polarity always creates clarity.

So it’s when we manifest what we don’t want that we know that we know, on an even clearer level, what we do want. And so that’s really like I started to see things in my reality when things happen. I know that I’m the one giving meaning to them. And I get to choose the meaning that I give it. So if a challenge happens, like for instance, when I was when I just did my very first course launch right before because I did like a pre launch a pre sale and then I built the course after I sold a bunch of spots. And I was about to release this course to the I would say 200 people that bought it early on in 2017 when I was still working a nine to five job so it was like Sunday night and I promise extended out I don’t know Wednesday night, but I wanted to surprise them early. So I was like working late on Sunday. And all of a sudden My just I was I push publish on my website, and all of a sudden my whole website goes white and blank. And I was like, that’s interesting. Okay, so let me go because I was on Chrome. And I was like, let me check Safari, maybe it’s a chrome issue, right? Maybe there’s a cookie or something, whatever happening. And so I went on safari and same thing, I went to manifest hp.com, blink white website. Weird. This is weird. It’s a Wi Fi issue. You know, it was at my apartment at the time. So I went on my phone, and I was like, Okay, let me check it benefice me.com, white blank screens. I was like, what? And so immediately, I called my host at the time, my host provider. And you know, after about five minutes of conversation, she’s like, she comes back on the phone, and you can just hear the dread in her voice. And she’s like, I’m so sorry. Like, it’s as if you’ve never had a website before. Like, I don’t, it’s just completely gone in our servers. Like, it doesn’t there’s no trace of it, it doesn’t exist. And I’m so sorry to let you know that because you never backed it up. Like there’s just no, absolutely no files here. You’re gonna have to start from scratch.

And of course, she started to hear like my, you know, my voice crackling and, you know, tears in my eyes, and she can just feel that I’m, like, horrified. And she was like, give me one second, let me just see if there’s one more thing to do, you know, to kind of like, buy some time or whatever. And it’s in this moment, that Brennan, my boyfriend at the time now fiance was like, Kathrin, your manifestation that you can manifest your website back, like, focus on it coming back, be positive, like just coaching me through this reminding me of this stuff. And like, for some reason, I was just like, You know what, like, this is happening for a reason this is happening for me, I don’t know why. But I’m going to take tomorrow off and I’m going to rebuild my website, like I made that decision that I am committed to this course, I’m going to get it out to my people. I’ve built my website once. I’ll rebuild it again, whatever. And she comes back and back on the phone. And she’s like, I’m so sorry. There’s nothing we can do. And I was like, Okay, and so I was like, alright, screw it. I’m going to rebuild my website. And immediately, as I said that again, in my mind, my screen refresh, and my website came back up. And I was like, actually, it’s back up, like, just refresh the screen or refresh on its own. And here it is. And I checked and everything was still on it like perfectly as if it were untouched. And she was like, girl, you have no idea how lucky you are. Let me teach you how to back it up right now. And I was like, Yes, please. Yes, please. And so she walked me through the process. And from that challenge, some people would see that as Oh, this is a reason to give up, right? My website’s gone, it was never meant to put this course out there. I’m not cut out for this back to my nine to five to go back to my nine to five I go. And I took it as actually so much better that this happens right now when I’ve only made like five grand in my business rather than when I’ve made $2 million, or whatever it is that big amount that I’m dreaming of right now. And I still didn’t learn how to backup my website. And then it disappears. It’s so much better to learn this lesson right now. And this is the only way the universe can think of giving me this challenge so that I can learn this lesson.

And then I had another big big challenge about six months ago with my team, where I had to let go of two of my team members. Pretty much the first two people that I hired, I just realized that we weren’t a great fit for one another anymore. Our visions have changed. It’s been about a year working together. And so I let them go after much thought and then my third team member my last my assistant like direct assistant, she just disappeared on me. Before we left for Australia on New Year’s Eve like just sent an email saying that she quits and blocked me on social media never responded me again just completely disappeared. And I was like, What is going on? My whole team fell apart. It was just me and my fiance to run manifestation babe. And at this time, it was pretty much almost a seven figure business like there was a lot going on. There’s a lot of emails, there are a lot of tech things. There’s a lot we were preparing for a launch, like crazy stuff was going down. And it’s funny because looking back on this challenge now I see that my team was not a great fit for my company and my vision and my new team members because I had to hire new people are like exactly everything I have ever wanted. I got exactly what I wanted through that challenge. I manifested technically what I didn’t want so that I can have even more clarity on what I did want. And through the interview process and the hiring process and all that stuff. I really found my dream team and if that if that challenge was never brought up six months ago, if that would have never happened, I would have had a more so mediocre business rather than the extraordinary business that it is today because of people behind it. So I really see challenges. any negativity that comes up isn’t there just to throw you off isn’t there just to give you a challenge for no reason, it really is serving you. And it’s the people who start seeing it from that light. That become I use the term unfuck-with-able, you can bleep that out if I’m not allowed to curse, but absolutely nothing messes with you anymore. Because it’s like, it’s like I’m in control of how I feel. I’m in control of seeing the way that I want to see this, as I’m in control of creating my clarity. I am in control of my reality. And yes, it doesn’t mean that every day is perfect. And that I’m like, so happy every single day, because I do have my bad days, but I don’t see them as this thing that again, I’m not on the toilet about them, right. Like I get off the toilet, I move forward with my life.

Cait
I love that. I love that so much. Wow, those two stories are amazing. Thank you so much for sharing that I think the behind the scenes stuff is so so valuable. And so encouraging for our listeners who may be in that space of staring at a wide screen or is feeling things crumbling apart and just knowing like, stay the course stay on track and stay focused on what you’re building. And I think you’re so spot on when you say, you know, a lot of people can see those things that come up is oh, this is the evidence that I was looking for that I’m at the end of the road or this is it for this is my end, you know, for this thing. But it’s really like, how bad do you want it like focus back on that thing and focus on acting and showing up in the way that’s going to bring that forward. And I think you’re so right with what you shared about, you know, the team members story of, you know, things that weren’t in alignment, people that weren’t in alignment, and were in a good fit for the unfolding of your business clearing away making space and making room for what is so I love that story so much. And I’m really curious. So I know, I’m really excited to talk to you about rich babe Academy, which is one of your signature programs and how you bring these principles of manifestation and focusing on what we actually want and taking action to bring that in on to money and how how we all become rich babes. I’m sure our listeners will love to hear about that.

Kathrin
Yeah, so money is something that it was like one thing that I could never manifest. So it’s like, so what, you know, like, I feel like everyone has a one area of life, it could be their love life, their financial life, their health, like there’s always one area of life that’s like on this pedestal, that they just can’t seem to grasp. For some reason. It’s just like that one area of life. And for me, it was always money, I had a very, very just this big money story. Because growing up as an immigrant back in the day, you know, first of all I want to mention, like, I’m really big on talking about the subconscious mind and how a lot of our stories and a lot of our limiting beliefs come from this time period in our life between the ages of zero and seven years old. So looking back on your childhood gives you a lot of insight to why you have the beliefs that you have today, why you have the story that’s ruling your life. And unless you’re aware of it, it can really drive you for the rest of your life, which is why now it’s interesting because when I look at I don’t plan on having children for another, I don’t know four to five years. But it’s funny because now when I look at kids, I see them in such a different light ever since I got really deep into this mindset work of just seeing them as these little sponges and every time I see a kid I just want to send them love and give them an affirmation and just remind them how amazing they are because I know how susceptible they are to adults beliefs and adults opinions and adults viewpoints of life and they really absorb everything in their environment around them and so for me between ages of zero to seven we live below the poverty line there in constantly conversations around how we can’t afford things.

There are fights breaking out in my household literally like things getting thrown over money anytime my parents I remember distinctly anytime there’d be a bill in the mail immediately following the bill would be tears or frustration or fear or panic or something and so really connected with like money means pain money means fear money means there’s not enough to go around and so I had this deep deep deep story around money and in 2016 When I started manifestation babe I was like okay, I want this to be a successful business. I want more money in my life. I really need to dig deep into my money beliefs and just start to see money from this positive light and start to change my money story and prove to myself that I I can have all the money in the world that I want. And that money is just a tool. Just like you know I have you know everyone has knives in their kitchen you can take that knife and cook this beautiful meal for my family or it can take this knife and go stab someone it’s not the knives fault what happens to the knife it is the human being behind it and so I see money as this beautiful beauty The full tool, and it’s an amplifier of what we already are. And so if you’re a kind of giving person, then money is just going to amplify and you have amplify who you are. And you’re going to have more to be kind with more to give with. And if you are a greedy person to begin with, then you’re going to have more to be greedy with. And so money really is this tool.

And I decided to really dig deep into I swear, I’ve been to every seminar, read every single book, watch every single YouTube video on how to manifest more money. And it was another area of my life where I really had to believe that my success is inevitable, and change my relationship with money instead of creating this relationship of neglect. Because at that time of my life, I was on my grandma’s couch. I was $25,000 in debt, and I never looked at my bank account, I would constantly get in the beginning, it was always those little cards in the mail of saying, Hey, you overdraft in your account this week. And then obviously, the banks caught up with technology. So now we get a text message or an email. And so those I constantly was withdrawing with was overdrawn my account. And I was in debt. And I was really just fearful around money and all those same emotions and same stories that I watched in my childhood, I was now living through my adulthood. And long story short, I finally got to this place where I recognize, hey, it’s your relationship with money. That’s determining how much money you’re bringing into your life. If you’re seeing money as the enemy, it’s going to show up in your life as the enemy. If you’re seeing money as a friend as this tool as this helpful agent in your life, then that’s exactly how it’s going to show up.

Because again, whatever you feel towards something is how is that same energy going to be attracted back into your life. Like, for instance, in relationships, if you see all men as douchebags and assholes, and they’re all going to show up in your life like that, if you see them as these kind loving human beings, then they’re going to show up in your life like that, too. So taking that same perspective around money, and I actually created this funny experiment. In 2016, as well, were starting to see money as my boyfriend. And I started to ask myself, like, if, if money were my boyfriend, how often would we be going on dates. And so you know, I thought to myself on maybe like once or twice a week, and so every single I created Money Monday, where every single Monday, I would sit down and check my bank account and look at my transactions and ask myself, was this my higher self or my ego? Spending money, you know, on this last week? And was this helping my business or was this taking away from the money I could have invested in my business, just asking myself all these questions, and then creating these affirmations around money, like I love money, and money loves me. Affirmations like money is an unlimited resource. And it is always flowing my way, creating this analogy for money, where money is like oxygen, and there’s, it’s, there’s plenty of it, it’s an abundance of it around us. It’s always flowing. And when I take a deep breath in, I can also trust that when I let go of that breath, the next breath is right around the corner. So I just developed this really healthy relationship with money. And it completely transformed my reality. And I created this higher self. And so now when I teach in my rich babe Academy program, embodying the rich made version of you, it’s like stepping into that version of yourself, who already has all the financial abundance, who already has everything that she wants in life, all the amazing relationships, the incredible business, the bank account, her dreams, the house, the car, everything? How would she show up in life? How would she treat money? How would she treat others? What would her beliefs be about herself and about money and about other people and business? What are her thoughts? What is her self care ritual and so I really started to embody that version of myself.

And I learned so many interesting things around money and how you can manifest more of it in your life from this perspective of forgiving it and forgiving your past and understanding that it doesn’t matter where you came from, it doesn’t matter that you know, you came from poverty, it doesn’t matter what your parents did, or the fact that you’re in debt, or maybe you made some crappy financial decisions in the past, like that can all end here, and you can get off that toilet, you know, look at your limiting beliefs around money, but then move forward and start creating more of it in your life. And I developed these like fun tips and tricks and these fun games, I turned it into a game where I would start writing myself checks. I even have, I have one of my checks on here. Like every single month, I write myself a check for how much I want to manifest in the next month. And it’s crazy, like actually, like phenomenally crazy how every single month that’s exactly what I manifest. And the bigger I go and it’s like a number where it’s like, oh my God, my parents don’t even make this in a year combined. And yet here I am making it in the month because I made that decision. I embodied the rich made version of myself and I know that the more I have The more I can give. And so rich wave Academy is really where I’m passionate about teaching this and helping other women really transform the way that they perceive money and stop seeing it as this thing that is evil or this thing that’s like, you know, a lot of people see money as problematic and money as a reason why they have so much stress and fear in their life. But it’s actually your relationship with money that’s causing it because money on its own is not doing anything. And so that’s just become one of my biggest passions. And my program is six weeks long. And I take you through everything I know about money and manifestation and money mindset and this whole relationship thing.

Cait
Wow, I love that. So, so much. And I love that writing yourself a check for how much you want. That’s so super powerful. And I know that as well. If people want to have more information about your process with money that you have a best selling book on Amazon.

Kathrin
Yes. So that is my 21 day journey. It’s really great for beginners. So because I know that a lot of beginners and people who are just like fresh to this information, they have a hard time conceptualizing big amounts just dropping into your bank account. And so I like to teach people to start with levels. And so like, the first level of this book is like manifesting your first $1,000 in 21 days, because it’s not like impossible to wrap your mind around it. But it’s so freakin cool because you have this $1,000 of unexpected money, or just extra money or bonus money coming into your life flowing into your life, within 21 days. So it’s like this journey where I take you through the action steps. Because I feel like that’s where, you know, there’s law of attraction, but there’s also law of action. And so I call it money baby actions. And so every single day for 21 days, I take you through this journey from every single day kind of builds up on the on the previous day. And by the end of the 21 days, I mean, some of the stories I hear and some of the emails and comments and messages and DMS I get it’s like people go beyond beyond $1,000. But it’s really cool when even newbies and people who are just so stuck in their current Money Story, how they finally broke through that and ended up manifesting even, you know, have people be like, you know, I didn’t manifest the $1,000. But I manifested like, 900, I got really close. And that’s so mind blowing to me, or just any bit of money, it’s like such a massive shift, because once you get a little taste of that success, it’s so much going exactly. And it’s so much easier, because once you manifest the $1,000 $2,000 is not a big deal at all. And you know, $3,000 after that is not a big deal at all. And so I really like to teach people to go in those levels and go in those steps.

Cait
Beautiful. I love that so much. And we’ll definitely include links in the show notes to both of these. So everyone can check out these programs, because yes, super powerful stuff and things that we all need. So I love that so much, Kathrin. Okay, so the last question, this is the final question that I asked all of our amazing guests on the show, is how you define success.

Kathrin
Ooh, I define success really, by being truly fulfilled, not just having the nice things, not just having, you know, the the material things, but really being rich in all areas of life, like in your health, you know, like if you, you can have all the money in the world and the perfect relationship. But if you can’t get out of bed, because you’re so unhealthy, that’s a problem. And then you know, being rich in your relationships, you can have all the money in the world, you can have the health, the body, the whatever, but if you have no one to share it with, then you feel a little empty inside. Or you can have the health and the relationships. But then if you don’t have money, that can create a lot of tension. And that’s often the reason for divorce is because of lack of money, or lack of resources and just a lot of tension and stress. And so I see success as like being able to do whatever you want on your own terms whenever you want, without limits without checking your price tag, but also being really, really, really fulfilled and really happy in all areas of life and or at least getting progress in that life in those areas of life. Because sometimes, you know, we don’t have everything perfectly in balance all at once. But at least as long as you’re becoming the best version of yourself in all these areas of life and you will feel truly successful.

Cait
Beautiful. Thank you so much, Kathrin. This is such an incredible episode. I’m so excited for our listeners to hear it.

Kathrin
Thank you so much for having me. And this is really, really great. Thank you.