Cait Scudder
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Cait
Hello, and welcome to today’s episode of The Born to Rise podcast. I’m your host, Cait Scudder. And today my guest is such an incredibly special woman. I’m so excited to introduce you to her Erin Claire Jones. You probably know Erin from her viral memes on Instagram where she shares wisdom about human design to support all sorts of people to live their most authentic expressed lives. Erin Claire Jones uses human design to help 1000s of individuals and companies step into their work and their lives as the truest selves and to their highest potential. Her work as a guide, coach and speaker has attracted a growing community of over 150,000 people who turned her teachings for practical tools, digestible tips and deeper self knowledge they can access to live with greater ease and authenticity every single day. With Work featured in Forbes MindBodyGreen well and good and nylon words shared on over 150 podcasts such as almost 30, That’s so retrograde, Hi itself, chatty broads. And now the boring terrorized podcasts and conversations with crowds of hundreds around the world. Erin’s insights are highly sought after because they make human design pragmatic, tangible, accessible and immediately applicable to everyday life. Human Design is a synthesis of ancient wisdom and modern science that sheds light on a person’s energetic makeup as well as specific tools they can use to live their happiest healthiest and highest potential. It doesn’t change who they are, it teaches them who they are. It offers insight into what’s possible and highlights the significance of understanding and living as the fullest expression of themselves. By putting human design to work in her own life Erin is showing the world a new way of work, a new path towards success and a new perspective on living as you truly are. Guys this conversation was with Erin was mind blowing in it, you’re gonna hear how she breaks down the five types, understanding your inner authority, and so much more. And this message could not be more relevant for us as entrepreneurs, as we think about building out new ways of work that actually work for us. So in just a minute, I’m gonna let you go ahead and listen to this interview. Please, if you listen to this, share it on Instagram tag both of us and let us know what your biggest takeaway was. And the final thing that I want to say. This is such a perfect segue from this conversation with Erin were at the end of the podcast interview we talked so much about how your inner authority impacts the way that you make decisions. I want to invite you to join me next week, March 28 and 29th live for a two day free event that I am hosting it is completely free you guys. We are diving in deep it’s called decided inside of this masterclass you are going to learn why decision making is the most critical skill that you need as a CEO how it impacts everything else you do the impact you’re going to make the connections you’re going to build the community you’re going to grow in a course the money that you make inside of your business so do not miss this opportunity to join us for decided it’s going to be such a powerful event you can sign up at decided.cait.co/decided. There’s also a link in my Instagram bio as well as a highlight feature on my Instagram profile for more information and I will see you there. Without further ado, here’s my conversation with Erin Claire Jones. Hello, and welcome to today’s episode of the Born to Rise podcast I’m your host Cait Scudder and I am so excited for our guests today. Erin Claire Jones. Aaron. It’s so good to have you here. Welcome, love.

Erin Claire Jones
Thank you. I’m so happy to be here.

Cait
So for our audience who does not know about you or who maybe has not heard about you, which I think is highly unlikely since basically everyone I know shares your Sunday reminders for the types. Literally, it’s I see them everywhere on my feet and it’s just so beautiful. Share with us more about you and the incredible work that you do in bringing human design to the world.

What is Human Design and how do you figure yours out

Erin Claire Jones
Sure thing. So I my name is Erin, I’ve been working with human design for eight years now. And Human Design, if you’re new is a system based on your time, date and place of birth, that really reveals how you’re uniquely wired to thrive, whether it’s in your business and your family and your romantic relationships in your life. And I think my intention is really just to make the system as practical and empowering as it can be. And my experience with human design is that it often just reminds people a lot of what they already know about themselves, and just gives them like such powerful permission and tools to just kind of lean into what works for them. And it’s been an amazing journey, rocky rollercoaster, all the things and I’m just I love it. I love sharing right human design. And it’s been such a treat to have so many people in the world now be so excited about it.

Cait
It’s so beautiful. And it really is so true. I feel like I had not heard anything about human design like two years ago. And now I feel like I can’t go a day on Instagram without seeing some kind of content related to human design. And it is so relieving to see so many people starting to like be curious in a deeper way than you know, like, what’s my astrological sign or what you know, what’s my horoscope of the month but like truly understanding what their unique blueprint has to say about them. I’m curious for anybody who’s watching who’s like maybe heard of human design, or maybe has even dabbled in it or has the, you know, my design app or whatever, but doesn’t really know anything beyond like, I know, there’s a manifester and a generator, like can you give us a little bit of just the overview? So you mentioned it’s based on like, time, date place of birth? Yeah, but can you just give us a little more of an overview of the types and what and how they differ in terms of makeup and composition?

Erin Claire Jones
Of course, so human design is pretty endless. If you’ve dug into it, you might be like, it never stops, you know, but um, often the most powerful information is at the surface. So I just always remind people that like, there’s no need to learn it all at once. You know, I would definitely start with your type and your strategy. And that’s a beautiful place to begin. So at the highest level, there are five different types of human design, manifesting generators, generators, manifestos, projectors and reflectors. I actually would love to start with manifestos because I know you’re one and also like, you know, it’s a rare type and I honestly never start with them. So they deserve it started with Yes, so let’s do it, then investors are really here to be kind of the initiators and innovators they’re really gifted at kind of getting things started and getting the ball rolling, but not always doing all the doing along the way. Like often it’s for the good for you to start a thing and the thing off and like free your energy up for the next thing to begin and manifest there’s tend to thrive when they feel really free feel autonomous feel in control, not really here to be kind of guided or told what to do or manage in any way here to do things on their own terms and in their own way. So I find that manifestos often thrive in more entrepreneurial settings or if they’re working for a company and just given like a domain to be fully in charge of, and your energy might operate as a burst as a manifester, where you might have this like creative bursts over a week or a couple hours or a couple of days where you can make so much happen. And then you have to like pull back and rest you know, and so I know you’re a parent too. But I think that like those moments of rest and honoring the ebbs is so important because it’s often in those lower periods that the next idea inspiration will come through. You know, so it’s about making yourself available before keep going. I just love to hear how that lands for you.

Cait
That’s so beautiful. I’m like over here, like, Uh huh. And so much yes to that, and especially the bit that you mentioned, I mean, all of that about initiating, yeah, being the one to get the ball rolling. And I know and I love that we’re on Instagram Live as well. And there’s so many people saying manifester. It’s so cool. I love that. But it’s so fascinating to me that you are saying that explicitly because that especially the like creative surges are these like bursts of inspiration initiation, like I noticed in my own patterning as an entrepreneur, that there are waves where I am like, nothing can stop me, I feel just like a rocket ship soaring through space. And then there’s totally low periods where my energy feels a lot more inward. And I think it’s really interesting. And this is why I’m so pumped that we’re having this conversation here on the show, because I think as entrepreneurs, it is so easy to make ourselves wrong, or to question if we’re doing something wrong or if we’re operating in the wrong way. And so much of that, I think comes back to not necessarily understanding the conditions that support us the most. And so when I learned that I was a manifester, and that it was not like a willpower problem. It wasn’t a mindset problem. It was an energy reality that I had these ebbs and flows, it freed up so much space for me to just not have any story about, I’m doing it wrong, and just let myself ride those waves in the natural momentum that comes with it. So I think that’s such an important reminder for manifesters.

Erin Claire Jones
Yeah, I love that so much. Because it’s such a reminder that we can often get really taken off track if we like think that we’re meant to do business differently, or parenting differently or relationship differently. And I think human design reminds us that we’re all wired to do things very differently. And so much magic emerges. And we just like really lean into what that way is for us. And something I’ve just like, notice and witness in you is that like, there’s a very like powerful strong energy that you show up with at least I feel it and I think the magic of manifester is like they’re often a little bit provocative. Like they’re really kind of here to be impactful gonna provoke people initiate new ways of doing things. So like, I think that I always remind manifester is that like, the more that the more provocative, but like the bolder you are, the more courageous you are like, the more you allow yourself to have the impact that you’re meant to, the more you kind of pull back play small, like the more you make yourself unavailable to those people. So just kind of reminding manifests like you’re here to be provocative, you’re here to be big, and like stepping into that as much as you can.

Cait
Yes, that’s such a beautiful reminder. Aaron, thank you. And thank you for that reflection. And it’s so good. So all of our manifestos who are listening, we are meant to push some buttons, it’s okay, if you do bring a lot of space. Do Yes.

Erin Claire Jones
And then the last piece that I would just share, and we touched on briefly is that manifested, we’re here to initiate and so not always immediately, but if there’s an urge that arises within you, your job is to follow it. You know, even if you’ve never seen it done before, even if no one’s doing it like that. And so really kind of trusting yourself and trusting the urges that arise. And the other part of your strategy is about just keeping people in the loop. You know, if you just go about initiating and like don’t let your partner know, don’t let your like clients know, don’t let your like employees know things can get like a little bit tense because they just feel like they’re not part of the team or maybe don’t know what’s happening. And so as unnatural as it might feel it’s really healthy to keep people in the loop and just give them a heads up before you fly.

Cait
That’s so beautiful. And I really appreciate hearing that, I think especially the peace, you know, in the entrepreneurial space. And I mean, I’m not even like touching parenting, but there’s so many obligations there. Holy smokes, it’s not even funny, but I’m thinking especially with team members, so whether those are employees or contractors, anybody who you have on your team, like, I can completely see that as a manifester. As somebody who gets the download wants to run with it. Yeah, that keeping people in the loop is definitely a skill set that I have had to consciously work on of like, oh, right, I can’t just move like I got to bring my people with me who are helping me be able to sustain that movement. So it’s such a great reminder.

Erin Claire Jones
100% You know, and it just like, and again, it’s not about asking for permission, or even explaining yourself, which is like, who will be impacted by this decision. I’m just gonna give them a heads up and then I’m gonna move, you know. Okay, let’s move on. So let’s go to manifesting generators. And y’all don’t know your design, there’s a link in my profile Human Design blueprint.com There are lots of other sites as well where you can look it up and look up your type. So manifesting generators are like the multi passionate creators and doers. They’re the ones that often have amazing energy and life force to kind of build and create things that really light them up. But they also can feel like a little bit limited like by just sticking with one super linear path, you know, so as a manifesting generator, you might find that you are multi passionate that you like to kind of pivot in between different things that you get a little bit bored doing the same thing for too long, you know. So it really honor what you have the energy for and give yourself permission to kind of pivot when your energy calls for it. And a big lesson for you is around prioritizing your own excitement and seeing that not as a selfish choice, but actually as the most important thing you can do. And secondly, a big lesson is boundaries, people sense how capable they are you are, so they probably want you to do all kinds of things for them, you know, and want to be around you. And so you’re saying yes to things because it lights you up. And not just because you think you should. And the last piece or the second, the last piece that I would share is that you’re gifted as a manifesting generator and moving quite quickly, and find the quickest way to get from A to Z, but not necessarily in handling every single step along the way. So it’s very useful to be surrounded by people on your team in your life, that support you in a step by step process in a way that kind of empowers you to move fast and be in your own creative flow, I would make sure to not expect that others move as fast or do as much as you. And your strategy is about letting things come to you and waiting for things to kind of light up your gut before you go after them. So it’s about really kind of leaning into this strategy of magnetism. Is that clear?

How honoring your and your team’s Human Design can support your business

Cait
Yes, that’s so helpful. And I love we see having so many manifesting generators on here, I have a ton of manifesting generator clients. And it’s always, I’m actually really glad you explained that because I’ve always been being a manifester, I haven’t really gone a whole ton into every single one of the other types. Other than, you know, as it relates to specific clients, but I think it’s so fascinating, that piece of the multi passionate, or the creative, who moves super fast, and who gets lit up in a bunch of different directions, but that peace of not needing everyone around you to move that quickly. But rather looking at cool, how can I surround myself with people who can complement the energy that I have in the way that I’m designed to work? So that I’m building out a team having mentors in my corner, like truly equipped to move in the best way possible?

Erin Claire Jones
Yes. 100%. It’s about knowing like, what is the right support for us? You know, and somebody said they had two manifesting generator sons. And it’s such a cool tool and parenting because like, instead of being like to have the past stick with the past, it’s like, try all the things, you know, it’s like honoring, like, they’re kind of multipassionate and moving in between different things kind of nature.

Cait
It’s actually, yes, it’s so funny that you say that this literally hasn’t occurred to me until right now, my husband is a manifesting generator, and so is my daughter, and she’s only 17 months. So it’s a little early to tell, but she is like, from one thing to the next, like, even at this super early age, and my husband career wise has been he’s done everything. I mean, he’s literally like general contracting our house right now he’s built software, he runs a furniture company, like he could not be more, you know, disparate, and all of his different things. And he’s got a lot of Gemini in his chart as well. But I think that’s so fascinating about that multidisciplinary nature. And I just really want to underscore something that we talked about before, as you’re breaking down this manifesting generator. profile is like the thing again, of not making ourselves wrong. So I know I’ve seen this so many times with clients of like, oh, maybe I’m moving from one thing to the other. And maybe I’m moving too quickly, maybe I should slow down I think what you’re sharing with us Erin is so permission giving of like, the deeper you understand yourself, the less you’re going to feel this need to constrain yourself or mold yourself to fit somebody else’s design and the more you’re going to be able to free your energy to work in the way that most supports you.

Erin Claire Jones
Totally, absolutely. You know, and I think we often make ourselves wrong we’re being who we are like, I can’t tell you how many manifesting generator clients have been like Erin like I always was, like, told I was doing too much. I wasn’t focused enough, like I needed a more linear path, but that felt so constricted for them, you know, and so a really big reminder for manifesting generators it’s like choosing a path that feels good to you. Whether it makes any sense to anyone else it probably won’t you know, like I look at the manifesting generators my life and like you’re superhuman, amazing, can’t keep up with you but like love witnessing it, you know, so I’m so powerful to step into it. I love that okay, then we’ve got generators, which are very similar some people group these types together, you know, also means that you have such tremendous energy to kind of build and create and bring things to life when you are lit up and satisfied by what you’re doing. So again, the lesson is around prioritizing your own excitement and satisfaction in business and in life. You know, if there are parts of your business that are really depleting you like when it feasible handing them off, like you being lit up actually benefits everyone around you because you start to kind of uplift everyone with your energy. Also boundaries people might sense how capable you are saying yes to the things that really feel right and no to the rest, you know, and generators bring such a kind of steadfast masterful, powerful energy and bringing things to life and so really nice again, to have a combination of different types on teams, but have a generator business partner and my gosh, it’s been the best you know, so I think that they are such powerful forces. I would really encourage all the generators to just take inventory in their life and ask themselves what in my life that people the aspects of my business like what is lighting me up the most? Can I invest more energy in that thing? And what is depleting and draining me the most? And can I let any of those things go. And your strategy is similar to manifesting generators is about magnetism. It’s about letting things come to you and waiting for things to light up your gut before you go after it. So you’re not really here to like, come up with the next idea out of thin air in your home, like you’re here to be out of the world, see what lights you up? And once your gut gets your response to kind of go make that thing happen. Is that clear?

Cait
So clear. It’s so beautiful. And I want to ask you a question about this. Because I have a mastermind right now. And many of the clients and there are generators. I think, also one of the most popular types is that right?

Erin Claire Jones
Yes, ma’am. I think generators and generators collectively, yeah, yeah.

Cait
So one thing that I find super interesting, we got into this conversation and I was like, no to self, I’m going to ask Erin this on the podcast. But it was such an interesting conversation. Because this thing and this is something that I see happen a lot of the time in entrepreneurial spaces specifically like the the thing of you know, only manifest errs are allowed to initiate only manifesters are allowed to take action only manifesters are allowed to be the first one to do something. And yet, as you’re describing this generator thing of like, okay, your job isn’t to sit in isolation in your home, and, you know, strike a light bulb and initiate your next idea, but it’s to be out in the world really tune into what lights you up, and then from that place, respond, but it’s so interesting, because that response, like it seems to me that there’s something about like, not initiating doesn’t mean not taking action, I would love for you to speak to that a little, because I see that being a place that a lot of generators get, or any types that are not, you know, even necessarily manifested manifests, like get caught up in that thinking, Oh, I can’t do anything because I just have to wait for the universe.

Understanding how the different types of Human Design operate

Erin Claire Jones
Well, I also love it because saw just joined, you know, saw, but yes, he’s an amazing generator, you know, he’s such a good generator to follow, because he’s just, like, got so much energy and so much power that so magnetic. And so I think as a generator, it is not about not making things happen, it’s about just waiting for your gut to give you a Yes, before you make it happen. It can be making your own idea happen, it could be making someone else’s idea happen, you know, and and honestly, the more lit up, you are on a day to day basis by what you’re doing and who you’re spending time with. Whether or not it’s related to work, the more you start to pull your way. So it’s not about like doing nothing, that’s actually probably the worst thing for you. It’s about doing the things that light you up and just seeing what your gut activates towards. And like, it could also be like you’re watching a, you know, a TED talk, and you’re like, I feel so lit up by a gap in the market, I’m gonna go make it happen, you know, it could be like, at a gathering and you see something like, I’m so drawn to them, like, I’m gonna go see them and maybe date them or collaborate with them. You know, it’s just like it’s wading through your gut to pull you towards a thing, because your gut is letting you know. So again, it’s not about passivity. It’s not about doing your own thing. It’s just being driven by your gut and letting something in your world kind of inspire that response.

Cait
Yes, so beautiful inside your timing is just incredible here as soon as Erin started talking about generators, yeah. Oh, perfect. I love that. And thank you for making that distinction, Erin, because I think that is so important. Deeply listening, deep attunement. And then from that place that aligned action.

Erin Claire Jones
Exactly. So okay, let’s talk about projectors. So um, projectors are really here. If you have any focus on business or just general, I think you can do either and then maybe a little specific around business as well would be great. So projectors are really here to be leaders, guides, advisors, teachers, you know, projectors are so innately sensitive to and wise about people. They often find themselves in positions of being a coach, you know, a therapist, a teacher, a CEO, a manager, like a place where they really are guiding and supporting others often by asking the right questions. As projectors our energy can also really ebb and flow. So I’m a projector which I say us but like often working super long days is not really our jam, I think it’s like honoring the ebbs and flows like allowing rest into our day is allowing spaciousness in our days allowing ease into our days, I think so much of being a projector is kind of disconnecting from any tendency to find your worth and how hard you’re working or how much you’re doing. But trusting that your gift is and how powerful you see you know, and and knowing that projectors tend to love systems, we love anything that kind of helps us understand people and how they work whether it’s any grammar, human design, I would say specific to business, you know, I would really hone in on where you offer the most value in your business and eventually bring on support for the rest I know that might not be feasible immediately. And I would also build rest into your days you know, not do back to back to back. I think it often just makes us so much better to have those kind of moments of rest in our days. And and our strategy as projectors is to wait to be invited in and recognize and it basically means that because we kind of have this really powerful way of seeing things it’s really important to kind of work with and date and be friends with people that recognize what a gift that is, and like really invite us into share it. If we’re brought into a situation and expected to operate like a generator, we’re probably going to burn out, you know, so I would really encourage projectors to reflect on where in their life, they feel the most invited and unseen. And I would invest your energy there, like your guidance is so powerful, but if somebody is not ready for it, it’s like not going to feel good for you or for them, because there’s an intensity that we carry, in terms of seeing people deeply. So know that the invitation is just a tool to protect your energy and make sure you don’t waste it. And then the last piece that I would share is that specific line of business is that people cannot see you and invite you unless they see you. And so that our job as projectors is to make ourselves visible, and share who we are and what we’re inspired by what we’re thinking about in a really authentic way just so the right people can find us. You know, the first iteration of my business was like very specifically pitching people did not work for me as a projector. You know, this version has been like I’m just gonna share on Instagram on podcasts and newsletters. I’m definitely not for everyone. But I will make myself available to be seen by the right people. So I would consider ways that you can courageously put yourself out there so the right people can find you.

Cait
That’s so beautiful. And I love that you just shared this visibility piece about you know, projectors having this like magnetic depth to them. And of course, we’ve got to let ourselves be seen and what also really strikes me about this I’ve heard before and maybe you can speak to this a little bit. I don’t even know where I’ve heard this but that there’s a really powerful, dynamic and interplay between manifester and projectors like often there’s like a partnership or a coach client dynamic or a team member dynamic. And it makes a lot of sense based on what you were just sharing of, part of the strategy for projectors being surrounding yourself with people who will give you that invitation or that initiation if manifester is are the one who do that in relation, it makes so much sense that that dynamic would be present

Erin Claire Jones
Totally you know, and there’s such magic with like all the different dynamics but it is true, it’s like manifester can so powerfully initiate projectors, you know, but it’s a really interesting dance. My sister’s a manifester, my mom’s a manifester. So I grew up with a lot of that energy. And a big lesson for me is that like, I wanted to give a lot of advice because like, that’s just like as projectors, like we see all these things, we want to share them but like to give a manifester advice who like is not seeking your guidance is like not a good recipe for any kind of connection. My sister was always like, Please stop, you know. And so it was really a big lesson as a projector to be like, I’m not going to try to guide a manifester, unless they really are asking for my perspective. So it’s a good reminder and that dynamic, but I think yes, manifestos can be greater than a shooting projectors.

Cait
Yes, that’s so interesting. I love that. I love that so much.

Erin Claire Jones
The last type is reflector. reflectors are the rarest type, it’s about 1% of the population. And these people are collective mirrors, they are deeply sensitive to their physical space and always taking in and magnifying the energy that they’re around. And so you get a really good sense of how a company is doing, how a family is doing, how a society is doing based on how the reflector is showing up. And so reflectors are meant to be such ruthless curators of the people there in places they’re spending time with an end, because they’re magnifying that energy, you know, and as a reflector, you are very naturally fluid. You might have periods in the month where you’re like, I feel like a manifesting generator, like I can do anything, you might have periods where you need a lot more rest. And so my reminder for you is that just stay tuned to like what feels like you that day, you know, and know that you are very fluid. And there are lots of parts of you that want to be expressed. And so not trying to put yourself in a box and trying to be overly rigid and consistent. And as important as it is for you to spend time with people that uplift you, it is equally important to spend time alone, you know, to kind of pull away from other people’s energy and disconnect from what’s not yours. And and we call you evaluators in the context of business because you just like see and sense things that so many people miss. And so it’s really important for you to be in spaces where your perspective feels so cherished, so treasured and like really honored as the gift that it is. And there’s a lot of other aspects but you know, I think so much of your strategies of being in the right space city home office, waiting to kind of be invited and to be really recognized and also really taking your time with things like really moving at your own pace and not rushing into things or kind of getting consumed by like pressure urgency.

Cait
It’s so beautiful. I love that I don’t know that I know any reflectors personally but hearing you describe that I do have some like online friends who are in that energy and it makes so much sense based what you’re describing and I love again that just permission to shed I feel like so much of all of the codes that you’re helping to carry and spread Aaron about human design are really about shedding any sort of like culturally caked on, you know, shoulds of how we should be operating in the world and like peeling a lot of that back to let the truth of who each of these individual types is to guide into shape and to inform how we move through the world and that piece about like moving at your own pace as a reflector and going slow if you need to and honoring what you’re in doing like, it’s so countercultural to the way that we’re taught, you know, we have to be on, we have to be pumping stuff out. And it’s, I think it’s so permission giving, and so life giving to recognize, actually, there’s another way, and it’s gonna work for you strategically a lot better.

Erin Claire Jones
Totally, you know. And I think that again, we just get really tripped up when we’re like, this is the way that we’re meant to do and anything with reflectors, in particular, I find that human design can be set to permission giving system, because they often have felt like their experience of life is just quite different. And so to have somebody kind of articulate that, because I think, you know, so many reflectors I’ve worked with, like, they felt such pressure in their lives to like, be one thing, you don’t be like, I’m gonna show up in one way, I’m gonna be super consistent. And like, that’s the opposite of how they’re meant to do things. Like they’re meant to express themselves in so many different ways. And like so many different ways throughout the month and throughout their lives. And I just find that the more they actually like, lean into that, even though it’s often not a way of being that really is, like modeled in society, like the more magic and surprise and flow that like they find, you know, and so it’s really kind of trusting that, like, they operate by their own set of rules entirely.

Cait
Yes. So beautiful. I love that. So I’ve been wanting to ask you this question you mentioned and you mentioned earlier in this conversation, which was so beautiful, like the your dynamic with your mom and your sister of like, Oh, I was operating in this way. And I realized, hang on, not necessarily that helpful. I’m so curious whether in your own life, or I know, you work with so many different clients to understanding their human design. And guys, we’re going to have a link in the show notes of this episode, where you can take Erin’s blueprint, and I’ll let you talk about that more in a second. But to figure out more of your design, understand what that is, and how to work with it. Most importantly, but I’m so curious in the work that you’ve done over the years with clients, Erin, where you have seen people like shift the most or the AHA has dropped in, like, how people move from operating kind of, again, with this sort of lumped in societal this is how things should be done? Like, how do you support your clients to start to move differently based on the blueprint that they have? Where Where do you suggest somebody start? Because I would imagine the reason I’m asking this is that, I would imagine that, you know, in any kind of work, whether it’s business coaching, human design, coaching, any sort of work, where we’re peeling back layers, understanding more about ourselves, there can be a lot of resistance, right? Like, oh, no, this information is going to make me you know, changed my whole way of parenting or whole way of being in my relationship or whole way of running my business, how do you support people to integrate the changes in a way that feels manageable?

How people have shifted after operating within their Human Design blueprint

Erin Claire Jones
You know, it’s so interesting, like, I really, you know, some people like are definitely gonna be resistant to human design, of course, because no system is for everyone. But like, I only really have one example of somebody that was very resistant, who wasn’t even a client. And he was just like, Erin, like, I don’t want to change anything, but how I’m doing things. And I was like, okay, like, then I definitely can’t share with you. And I was like, are like, does it feel like the good the way you’re doing things? He’s like, No, it doesn’t, but I don’t want to change it. I was like, can’t work with you, you know. So I think that like, in general, if you are open to like evolving and growing, like human designs and amazing system, but honestly, like, my experience is that it’s often not overwhelming, because I think that what I share about people, what human design shares about people, is a way of doing things that they intuitively know, feels so much better. And so basically, they’re just like, oh my god, yes, they’re like, I’ve, like can think of all the times in my life where I operated that way, and how much better it felt, I can see why I’m like resisting that right now. And I feel so relieved that I get to like, go back to doing things in a way that feels good for me. So it actually doesn’t think it requires that much more work. It’s more just like permission to like, do things in their own way. But I would say, you know, the type is obviously a big piece, I think another really essential piece that people can kind of integrate into their day to day is their inner authority, which is around decision making. So it’s basically around how we are meant to make decisions, whether it is around our business, or romance or what we’re doing on Saturday, you know, and it helps us kind of connect to a more intuitive knowing within us that just lets us know where to put our energy next, it doesn’t let us know where it’s gonna take us, it doesn’t let us know where we’re gonna be in five years, it lets you know, like this is the right next place to go. And so I think when people really trust that so much magic comes and so some examples of that you are what we call a splenic, or a tune into your intuition kind of authority, which means that you’re fast. As soon as an intuitive knowing comes, go for it, no need to wait, you know. And so like, there are some people that I’ve talked to that have that way of making decisions that will not trust it, and they’ll get in their head and kind of talk themselves out of it and never act on these like intuitive urges that they’re feeling. Whereas like, I’m emotional, like I meant to sleep on things and feel and did things and like, take my time to mull over and kind of wait for clarity to land. And some people are meant to kind of talk things out, be in the right space, and trust their gut feeling in the moment. And so I think when we really kind of tap into that knowing it brings so much clarity and to how we’re doing things or where we’re not listening to that, you know, in terms of how we’re doing business like in terms of who our friends are, and like who we’re partnering with and where we’re living And so I think often, like trusting that is so like, so essential, and often kind of brings us into all the right places. It’s so powerful.

Cait
Thank you so much for sharing that. And I love that you brought in that authority piece and knowing that it’s not just the type, but also what is your authority and the decision making piece. I mean, I think there is no more relevant conversation that we could be having. I’m literally hosting an event called decided in a couple of weeks, because decision making is everything I mean, not just in business, also in life, but to understand I love that you brought in that inner authority piece and how that informs decision making, because we’re not all meant to make decisions in the exact same way.

Erin Claire Jones
I know, you know, and I just think that like a lot of us are trying to rationalize our decisions. And like, it’s not that our mind is not powerful, it’s that our mind is so powerful that we can likely convince ourselves in or out of anything. And so then we just get kind of paralyzed and stagnant. And so like to really know like your mind to trust your gut feeling in the moment, as soon as it comes, follow it, or like, give yourself a day or two to really confirm and then go for it. Like, it just again allows us to kind of build the things were meant to build partner with the people that were meant to partner with live in the right places. So I think that like really aligning with that is so transformative on its own, you know

Cait
Totally and the other thing that’s coming up for me, as I’m hearing this, and I know we have a lot of entrepreneurs, coaches in our audience who are listening to this, to also be mindful about your clients and the way that they make decisions. And it’s not just like, you know, if somebody needs a day to sleep on it, I mean, there’s nothing that I hate more in the sales space of like pressuring you need your credit card on the phone, right this second, you know, that kind of like false grippy urgency, doesn’t support anybody, and it doesn’t support anybody to move from the place of being in their own authority. So if somebody needs a day to sleep on it, they’re not necessarily like a red flag client, they’re just following their type. And for somebody who’s like, Yep, I know, cool, they just might have that splenic authority, like you’re talking about, but there’s room in their space for all of them. And I think that is such an important part, especially as coaches and entrepreneurs that were really honoring the design of our people in not just the way that we sell and the way that we market, but also in the way that we lead and hold space for our clients.

Erin Claire Jones
100%. You know, and again, it also with our romantic partners, we might be like, Why are they taking so long? To you know, and so like, kids, oh, yeah, like, again, you’re fast. But again, if you expect others to, like move as fast or reach clarity as quickly as you like, it will be disappointing, because they’re not meant to, and they’ll probably commit to the wrong things, you know. And so, and also, I think what’s so cool about human design is that it helps us know how to support others and accessing their own truth. So like, for example, there are some people that are sacral, or trust your gut decision makers, and like, you probably have a lot of clients that have this. And if you ask them, like a very open ended question of like, what do you want to do next? Like, they might just be like, gosh, I don’t know, like anything’s possible. But if you like, really ask them specific, yes, no questions, it will drop them immediately into their gut, you know, where like, I’ll have a session where they’re just like, going all the reasons why they should do something. And then I’m like, do you want to do it? They’re like, No, you know, and so like, if people have sacral, or trust your gut specific, yes, no questions, drop them immediately into their knowing. And so it’s a way for you to just like help them access it. And they’re like, gosh, I kind of like think that I should go another way. But it’s very clear that I’m getting a very strong gut feeling towards or against this thing.

What’s the difference between sacral and splenic authority?

Cait
So interesting. So such a helpful reminder to understand your clients design types, that you ask them the right kind of questions and guide them in the same way. This is maybe like a really specific, nitty gritty question. But I’m curious, what is the difference between sacral and splenic? Authority? splenic authority. So splenic, you said is intuitive. But the other one is trust your gut? To me? That’s like the same thing. But what’s the what’s the difference?

Erin Claire Jones
Oh, somebody just said yes. No questions that saved my marriage. And like, Oh, my God, I present you my partner is has that too. And I’m just like this for dinner this year today, where you want to eat? Yeah, exactly. So um, great question. You know, I think that in human design, we kind of use different language in terms of intuition and gut, but of course, these are like really intermingled in the world. And so if your authority is sacral, or trust your gut, it means that it’s really based in your belly. It’s like if I asked you like, do you wanna do this or not? There’s often like a rising of energy uphold that you feel as like an aha. And where it’s like if it’s a no, it’s like a contraction, like a discomfort in your belly or like, ah, and specific, yes, no questions will drop you into that gut feeling. intuitions that’s yours, which is splenic or tuning your intuition is much quieter. It’s like a whisper. It’s not really based in one part of your body. It’s like a voice that you hear tingles that you feel like an immediate resonance with something or not, and like disappears as quickly as it comes. It will not always respond to specific yes, no question that kind of can emerge out of nowhere. And so your work as a splenic or tune into your intuition authority is to get really quiet because it comes in a quiet as moments. Does that make sense?

Cait
Yes, so much sense what I’m hearing is that it’s not necessarily prompted externally, which is so interesting to know about myself like more about the splenic piece for myself as a manifester, because because that is it seems very aligned with the like, initiating thing, like it’s coming to in through me not prompted externally from a yes, no question. So that is, yeah, that distinction is super clear.

Erin Claire Jones
And also, one piece I would add for splenic people are tuning your intuition people is that you’re like hyper empaths. And so it’s easy if you’re, and I don’t know your partner’s design, but like, if you’re around somebody that has really strong feelings about something, it’s really easy to kind of amplify their feelings and like, Yeah, we should do this. And then you might walk away and like, be in your own energy and be like, I don’t want to do that. Like I was just amplifying their excitement. And so like time and space alone is a really beautiful way to just quiet down and be like, is that actually mine or not, you know, and so kind of giving yourself that space.

Cait
So good. I love this. Oh, my gosh, Erin, there’s so much juice here. I feel like you have just everyone’s like save this live, save, decide, we definitely will. Don’t worry, it’ll also be available on the podcast. With all the show notes and breakdown of everything that Aaron’s talked about, where can people follow along with you find out more information about you and learn more about the blueprints that you do ? Can you tell us about the blueprint.

Erin Claire Jones
Of course. So I’m Erin Claire Jones, we’re on Instagram. So you can find me here. And and I would say the best place to get started is something called the blueprint, which is like a 55 Plus page guide that we make that walks you through your unique design. It’s like a book just about you. And my intention with everything that I do is just to deliver the information in the most practical and empowering and accessible way. So whether you’re new or old, it’s just like, Let me have a book about me that I can keep returning to to kind of make sure I stay on track. And it’s meant to be a resource that you keep returning to overtime. So it talks about all the pieces we talked about today. And so much more like what are your biggest challenges? What are your like easiest, like netlist natural strengths, you know, how are you here to kind of manifest your purpose or market or things like that. And we have a discount code, which is Cait10 If you want to, which I will set up right now. Don’t go there yet. 10 minutes. And then I also offer sessions and that’s the blueprint that humandesignblueprint.com And then I also offer sessions team for family, partnership, individual and workshops. And that’s all on Erinclairejones.com

Cait
So beautiful. Erin, thank you so much for this conversation. It was so so magical. And the best place to follow along with your wisdom is here on Instagram or erinclariejones.com and the link to the blueprint is humandesignblueprint.com.Beautiful. Thank you so much. And thank you all for watching and for listening. If you watch this on the replay or you’re listening to this on the podcast, please go ahead and tag us and let us know your biggest takeaway from this conversation. Erin thank you once again for all the amazing work you do.

Erin Claire Jones
My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.

Cait
You’re so welcome.