Cait: Hello, and welcome to today’s episode of The Born To Rise Podcast. My guest is Jordan Gill operations consultant and founder of system safe Gives me Jordan helps overworked one-woman shows become streamlined solopreneurs. Her jam is creating a cohesive operating system for managing your tasks, files and inbox. She’s been on podcasts like What Works and CEO vibes and board arise sharing her love of replacing monthly retainers with one-day virtual intensives. She currently lives in Dallas, Texas with her cavapoo Vivienne, and a collection of 1000 piece jigsaw puzzles. Jordan, I am so freaking excited to talk to you today. Thank you for being on the show. Yes,

Jordan: Thank you so much for having me. I’m getting to talk about one of my favorite topics, which is VIP days. So I’m here for it. 

Cait: So good. Well, I want to talk about all the things, systems. Before we even get into what you do, can you tell us all –because I certainly did not know, I had to Google it. What is a cavapoo?

Jordan: A Cavapoo is a one part King Charles Cavalier. And one part poodle dog. She’s about 20 pounds of fluff. Their mannerisms are very elitist, which is kind of entertaining. But around other dogs, she’s not that interested. But she’s super cuddly and lovey to people, which was important to me.

How She Got Started In Systems

Cait: I literally just googled the answer you told me and I’ve totally seen these dogs before. They look stuffed. The plushest animals that you can buy. Let’s talk about you and all the stuff that you do helping entrepreneurs get streamlined and systematized. I want to ask you so many questions, because I hear this all the time from clients. Especially when we’re at that scaling stage for six multiple six, even seven-figure entrepreneurs and beyond. I feel like the higher you rise, the more important systems become. So take us back Jordan, like how are you? Have you just been an operations Queen, organization Queen for your whole life? How did Systems Save Me get started?

Jordan: Yes, so actually, I can’t remember if it’s my moon sign or my rising sign, but I am a Virgo in one of those areas. I’m a Taurus and then my actual sun sign is Gemini, which is very difficult for me to connect with. I feel much more Virgo and Taurus. So it’s really entertaining. But yeah, I’ve always just been really drawn to order and planning and creating a streamlined system. One of my favorite things is to watch hoarders because I literally get to see absolute madness go into a clean house. If you’ve never seen hoarders. It’s like one of those shows where people just collect random stuff, and they stuff their houses with them. And it’s super gross. But it’s very refreshing for somebody who likes to see things go from dirty to clean, over and over and over again.

Cait: That’s so funny, I thought you meant you just like to people watch hoarders. I’m like, doesn’t that make you break out in hives? Doesn’t that stress you out? But I got it. On the TV. 

Jordan: Yeah, if I saw it in person, there are definitely gonna be some hives going on. But it’s safely on the TV screen. So yeah,I tell the story of how I chose my university because it’s very telling of just how my brain operates. So when I was in high school, I was looking to figure out what university, or what college I wanted to go to. I knew my goal for college was not necessarily to have the best grades. My goal was to get a job. So what is the lowest hanging fruit of getting a job? Well, getting to know the alumni at the school, who will come back and hire people from their alma mater. 

So I went around, I created a spreadsheet, and I called a bunch of schools and asked the Alumni Associations, what percentage of alumni hired current students for their first jobs. Most Alumni Associations don’t know that answer, by the way. But secondly, I had my top five, and I went and visited them and ended up at the University of Kansas, which was technically number two on my list of top schools that hire their own, essentially. So it worked. I had like 12 internships in college and I was able to get an apprenticeship that turned into a full-time job after college. So my theory, my hypothesis worked, but I’m very analytical, very data-driven and very much a systematic person through and through.

How Systems Work Inside Six-Figure Businesses

Cait: I love that and it’s so cool to have that really tactile example of how having a system really yielded the result that you wanted in searching for a school and getting a job. I’m so interested in this piece that you just said of being really data-driven. I think that in the online space. I mean, there are so many different business models, but especially for really high level coaches, particularly women who have creative passions and pursuits, who have a very strong, creative, expressive side, but not necessarily feeling like systems and spreadsheets are their second language. I think that systems can kind of get a bad rap or feel really overwhelming. 

I’m super curious Jordan how you specifically work with people. What you would say to a six-figure entrepreneur, or someone who’s around that maybe making a little less, maybe making a little more, but they have clients, they know how to fill their rosters, but they’re feeling super drained and overwhelmed on the back end because they don’t have systems in place. What do you do to help a girl like that out?

Jordan: Totally. So the beautiful thing about it is everyone has their own strengths. So I really admire the super creatives, because if you told me to come up with a really beautifully designed Instagram post, I’d be like, No, no. So we all have our own lanes. And what’s great is we can support each other. So for me, it really comes down to figuring out the best way that you work, and creating a system that supports you and doesn’t strangle you in that. 

How She Makes Systems Work For Every Entrepreneur

So what I mean by that is, your workflows, and your processes are not meant to stifle your growth, they are actually meant to skyrocket it. And I think that most people are so scared of systems or just go out and purchase or figure out a workflow that works for somebody else, and it doesn’t work for them, because they’re not that person. And so you’re left having to adjust and tweak and do all these different things to fit your personality or your lifestyle. 

So for me, it’s really crucial, I’m a big Strength Finders person. And my second strength is individualization. And my third strength is analyzer. And so they’re, interestingly enough, competing strengths. But I really see every person as their own individual. That’s what the individualization strength is. But then I start to look at, okay, I’ve worked with somebody similar. I can combine these three different other people that kind of make up this person to then be able to create and implement a system and a process that works for this one individual that I’m working with. So I really like to allow each person to identify what’s most important to them, and being able to create systems and add tools into their life, that support how they want to show up and how they want to work and how they want to be. Because that’s the whole point. If you are getting tied down by your systems, and then it’s being done wrong. So I really think it’s important to honor how you are and not try and fit yourself into the mold of how other people create their systems.

Why Fancy Systems Don’t Always Work

Cait: I am so glad you’re saying this. I’ve actually never spoken to an operations reporter who’s ignored this piece, and it’s something that I had to learn the hard way in business. In 2019, I invested, which was a massive learning curve for me, and hired a team of experts who came in with all these fancy systems. But it ultimately was exactly what you’re describing. It was super strangling. It didn’t work. 

Ultimately, 10s of 1000s of dollars and months and months of time. It was a massive learning experience. But what you’re sharing is so valuable and so important. And it’s not just about having some gurus quote unquote, perfect system, but really figuring out how you work and building a base on that. 

I’m curious, Jordan, if you can talk about both techie systems and tools, but also human systems and how you work with clients and with solopreneurs who are moving more into that fully streamlined, systematized operation. How do you work with entrepreneurs to develop both of those things?

The Number One Tech System To Implement

Jordan: Definitely. I think that I can nerd out just as much on the human processes as I can the techie one. So I’ll start with the techie and then get into the human. But as far as the tools and the systems that you need in your business, people usually ask me what’s the first system that you should set up. Generally speaking, I would say we need to have a bigger discussion for me to able to identify that but generally speaking, for most coaches, service providers, consultants, one of the quickest wins systems, I will say, is having a calendar or scheduler. 

It’s always fascinating to me how many people still do not use them. A scheduler is where you provide a link to a client to a potential client to podcast interviewers, etc. Or podcast guests to find a time that works on your calendar and choose the mutual time that works for them. And then they get booked on the calendar with the timezone conversion because Good gracious, like time zones. And so that’s really a quick win system that you can implement, and it will automatically save you time, it will automatically allow for your clients and potential clients and podcast guests to feel more supported. Because on average, to settle a time with somebody is between eight and 14 emails, I don’t know about you. But that sounds like a lot just to try and freaking find a time that we can both sit and talk. 

So for me, that’s an area that is really easy. There’s different tools. My favorite is Acuity. But there’s calendly, there’s schedule, once there’s a bunch of different options that have a calendar scheduler. There are a lot of them. I know people who run their whole coaching business off of Acuity for $10 a month, So there’s all sorts of fun stuff. But that’s a tricky one that I encourage everybody to implement, if they haven’t already, I still use a calendar scheduler, even though I have somebody who manages my calendar, just for the sake of time zones. It just makes it a lot easier for everybody. 

The System Of Tracking Your Cycle

A human system that I really like to encourage kind of has to do with your energy. I am somebody who actually follows my cycle really closely. And I know when I’m going to have more energy and when I am not. As somebody who does have a menstrual cycle, I will create patterns in my schedule, that are, if I’m going to be doing podcast interviews, I’m going to be having to do with lives or any sort of video creation, anything where I’m having to sell outwardly or be energetic. I will purposely put that during the phases where I have the most energy, which is, obviously, population phase. When I am going to be a little lower energy, that’s when I work on more of my back end systems to add money, and that sort of stuff. So that way again, I’m not wasting my most energetic time on the backend stuff because nobody needs energy for that, not even me.

Cait: I love that you’re saying that and it’s so funny one of my mentors, Cait Northrup, she’s amazing. I’m in her mastermind and she was actually also a guest on the show and I interviewed her specifically about her book, Do Less and tracking your cycle based on the moon and it was just so so interesting. 

So I love that you do that as well, Jordan and I think that it’s super cool to hear you say that because I think a lot of you know there’s this battle of some things in the coaching space of being super masculine or being super feminine and flowy. And you’re a systems guru over here talking about systematizing your feminine cycle. That is so interesting. Do you use a particular app to get down into the nitty gritty to track your cycle? 

Jordan: Yeah, it totally makes sense to have higher energy things like challenges, live streams, any of those things, and more of that ovulation phase and more back end sort of cleanup in luteal or whatever the other one is. You haven’t seen that one. 

Cait: But I’m also really curious what that process actually looks like for you. Do you sit down like the beginning of the year and map it out and you use a tool like what does that look like?

Jordan: I use Natural Cycles, it’s an app. Technically, every morning that you wake up, you take your temperature, and when your temperature spikes, that’s when you’re ovulating. You start to do that every couple months, and you can basically start to guess when those dates are. Because I’m pretty regular, thankfully, it becomes pretty systematic for me. My ops coordinator, Trina, she also is very aware of –maybe as creepy as this is –but when you know what my cycle phases are, and she will purposely not put a bunch of calls on the weeks that I am going to be down, because she’s knows that I’m gonna then email her and be like, please take all these calls off. I’m not coming to any of them. So it really is a joint effort between her and I really just her honoring where I’m at, and me just being upfront about where I’m going to be. 

Until you can find your own rhythm like that, then you are going to be really frustrated and confused at why sometimes you’re super energetic, you’re vibrant, and people are just really attracted to you. And then other times, you’re like, I literally just did this amazing hour live and nobody cared. And there’s a purpose. There’s a point to that. And I think it’s really amazing what messages our bodies tell us through our cycles. So yeah, I use natural cycles, the app, and then it’s a combination between myself and Trina on my team to know when Jordan is going to have energy.

Why Time Organization Is Pivotal In Systems

Cait: Oh my god, so good. I love that so much. So practical. We’ll put all those tools in the show notes that you’re mentioning, because that’s such an important piece. And actually, that brings us to the bigger scheduling thing. We also use Acuity and just love it as a tool. But scheduling in general,  managing and systematizing your time, I feel as entrepreneurs, our time is our absolute greatest asset. And I’m curious for you in the work that you do helping entrepreneurs get organized. Talk to me about how organizing time is a foundational piece in setting up your systems across the board in business.

Jordan: This is a great question. I think that in business, yes, it’s important to focus on money, because if you have zero money coming in, then you don’t have a business. However, I think it’s just as important to really think about the intentionality of the time that you’re spending. And so for example, we, I kind of giggle every time I share my systems, because I’m like, people are either gonna think I’m genius, or they’re gonna think I’m robotic. 

But for me, in business, creating content is something that I have to be very conscious of when I do it. Because it’s really draining to my energy, more in the sense of videos. So I have a system where  we do weekly videos on Instagram, and we actually have a system where every six months, I hire a videographer, and we record 24 videos in three hours. And we just go one right after the other. And there are bullet points on the massive poster and I just roll through them. They’re five minute-ish videos each. I keep my videos pretty short. And so that allows for us to have a ton of space for other things that need to be on my plate, but I can just take an afternoon, once every six months, and get all of the content that I need for our Instagram, which has been really helpful. And similarly, our podcast is twice a week. We do what we call batch weeks, where there’s a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, again, during my highest energy at the very top there.

I think it’s technically the third week of the month that I will do around 22-24 episodes, and those 24 episodes will then be broadcast twice a week for that next quarter.

Cait: Hold up, so you do 22 episodes in three days?

Jordan: Yes.

Cait: OMG, that is so impressive.

Jordan: It’s an event and again, right after I don’t do anything else during those days. There’s nothing else going on on Jordan’s plate. And the days after I go and I rest. I hang out on my beanbag, or I go into my jigsaw puzzles. Because when you are exerting that much energy, even on my highest month, I still don’t have endless amounts of energy. 

What that’s allowed me to do is, again, be strategic about when I’m showing up. So during my ovulation when I am at my height, then that’s when I’m going to film the videos, and when I’m going to do my podcast. Because I want that type of energy to be showing up in my videos and in my podcast. So it really is, instead of working against my body and against time and against energy and thinking every week, oh, shoot, I gotta record a podcast, or, oh, no, I have to put my makeup on and figure out this hair situation I got going on today. I’m going to create an opportunity via videographer just a batch week during my peak time to get my message across. 

I found it to exponentially help our sales and how we’re able to show up consistently and all of that. But again, that’s how I work. And that’s not necessarily what I would suggest every person does. But I’m a good example of just what I, what I’ve been able to create. And it’s been a process, both of those have been a process, it hasn’t always been that systematic. But we’ve been doing it this way for about two years. 

Cait: I love that. That is goals right there, girl, that’s really inspiring. I love that you’ve really talked us through that process from both having your assistant map those days off on your calendar and sitting down and just batching those out. And then you get to exhale, knowing that you don’t have to scramble week to week to create new podcast episodes. That’s amazing. 

How Systems Break Down In Business

I think that while there may be modifications that people listening to this can make to make it work for them in their business, that concept of batching. And really diving deep on those days. And I think what you shared of doing nothing else is really key. Because I think that that’s where, and I would actually love for you to talk a little bit more about this. That’s where it seems to me that most systems break down in business as we use them like 80%. But then we’re like, oh, no, I’m just gonna do it this way. And then the system breaks; it’s not a system if you’re not using it. And so I’m really curious how you work with clients who have been operating. Whether it’s more flying by the seat of their pants or just building things every time that they need it, as opposed to having it inside of a workflow. How do you support entrepreneurs to get themselves really up and going? 

Jordan: Unfortunately, a lot of entrepreneurs get to a point where it just feels like something has to change. I think a lot of us operate in this mentality of this is just the way it is, or this is the way I’ve always done it. And I do not live in that world at all. I tell my team, if you utter these words, it’s a huge No, no, because we will always want to improve. We’re always chasing the best option. If something’s not working, why continue to do it that way?

Honor Where Your Flow Is Coming From

For my clients and whatnot, when they get to that point is generally when they come to me, and I really have to pull them back to what it is that lights them up, that they could just spend all of their time doing. It sounds cliche, but a friend of mine, Diane Mayer, she and I had this conversation about competency versus flow. And it really opened my eyes about how we’re really good at some things, but it’s not necessarily where our flow comes from. 

I’m really good at having conversations with people and interviewing for my guest for my podcast and doing really great intentional videos. But where my flow is, is me spending hours in air table or ClickUp just building stuff and making it colorful and automating things and playing around with systems. So I had a hard time because I do enjoy the podcast interviews and video creation and all of that, and I become competent in it, but it’s not where I would lose time, right? And so it’s really important with my clients that we understand where the flow is and not just what you’re good at. And how can we build the systems around you to support that flow as much as possible? Gving people permission to honor where their flow is coming from is a really great gift that I love giving to my clients.

Cait: That’s such a beautiful way to think about productivity, or getting the most out of your working day. Finding where your flow is. Not just where your strength is. I love that. I think that that just opens up so much space and permission is such a key piece, right? 

Jordan: Because for so many of us, it’s like, oh, I’m getting distracted, or I didn’t use my power hour to complete my posts in the day, what’s wrong with me? Taking the should-ofs off ourselves and really allowing that flow to guide the systems that we build?

What A VIP Pricing Model Looks Like

Cait: I love that. It’s so great. So I think it’s really interesting because it seems to me, Jordan, that you just have so much to offer and bring to the table for coaches, solopreneurs, people with small teams who are wanting to streamline their operations. But also, it seems like you also bring something kind of revolutionary and new to the done-for-you service industry with a VIP model as opposed to a monthly retainer. So I’m really curious about that. And if you can share more about that shift in pricing structure that you’ve found for yourself, and how you empower other done for you service providers to have a look at in their business.

Jordan: Absolutely. VIP days, if you haven’t ever heard of them, or don’t quite know, the best way to explain them, VIP days are four-figure offerings. Yes, I start out with the money first. They are a high ticket. So four-figure minimum offering that lasts three to eight hours within a 24 hour period of time, that helps your clients go through your transformation. Generally about three to five phases. 

Why I put numbers in there is because it really helps you to define, if you’ve hit the spot check, check with the three numbers. But really what it comes down to is you can take a six-week service or a three-month coaching program or something, and really build it into a one day thing. Think about when you squeeze all the lemon juice out of the lemon. It’s really a somewhat intense offer, I guess, in the sense that you’re not having to accommodate scope creep, where clients are like, Hey, can you just do this one thing. God forbid, you charge me for it all and take you five minutes, or things like that. You don’t have to deal with that. 

Really, at the core of the offer, is maximizing the time that you have spent together in order to set your client up for success. So this really isn’t a strategy session or power hour or pick my brain or any of those things. There’s nothing wrong with that. This is just not that. This really is a transformational offer. The key to it all is really the speed to implementation or transformation in the sense that in every industry speed is worth more money, if you think about it. If you want to lose weight you can totally diet and exercise. Or you can go and get surgery. There’s no judgment here, you can go and get surgery and pay a ton more money and have it have quicker results. The fastest cars are the most expensive. I could go into all sorts of industries where this is true. 

So I know that you’re a service provider coach or consultant, and you want that quicker exchange of end transformation for your clients. It’s absolutely available to you and there are clients who value time more than money and are willing to pay more money so that they don’t have to have it be extended. They don’t have the back and forth emails there. They just want the shot of transformation now so they can move on.

What End Transformation Of Systemization Through VIP Days Looks Like

Cait: I love that and I’m glad that you said for coaches and consultants and people with that sort of a business model as well. Because you can absolutely offer VIP days. That’s something that I offer and did offer when we were you know in person and doing things in person. Not so much anymore, but it can also be done virtually. I think that the trade-off of time for money is super insightful. I’m curious in terms of helping an entrepreneur get set up or implement, what is a VIP day like? What’s an example of something that you could cover in a VIP day with somebody or anybody who is supporting an entrepreneur who systematized themselves? How does that lend itself a bit more to getting shit really systematized and sorted than, let’s say, a longer package?

Jordan: I like to look at it through the lens of tangible results first. There are four types of tangible results that your VIP can have. The first one is strategy. So some sort of plan or map. This could be a plan or map for your website, or plan or map for your launch or whatever that looks like. And then there’s suggestion which is a tangible results option. That one is similar to an audit, so somebody is already doing the thing that you normally create, and you’re just going in with your lens and your expertise and finding the gaps and plugging the holes to make it better and get better results. 

Then we have service, which is pretty obvious. That’s the one where you’re creating something and building something, implementing something. So you can build a website, you can actually build out someone’s Dubsado, or ClickUp or whatever. And then the last one is a solution at VIP day. And that’s the last tangible result. And that one’s more of a coaching one. So this is similar to the audit suggestion, one in the sense of, you’re going through and looking to find the missing gaps and pieces, but it’s more in the sense of a human or habitual type role. So it’s more of a relationship coaching. 

I’ve seen nutritionists actually use a solution really well, where it’s a co-creation, human solution. So again, there’s strategy, suggestion, service and solution. And I find that you can create, really any of those for any type of offering. So I could technically be like, okay, I want to do systems. What’s a solution systems VIP day? What is a strategy solutions VIP day and take it around the matrix, and identify which one of those sounds most appealing to me. And so for me, I do strategy and service in my VIP days. So we come up with a strategy for their system. And then I go through and actually build and set it up. I think that that’s been the easiest way for me to try and explain what you can offer as a VIP day in its simplest form. So those are ones that you can start with. And then you can get fancy and mix it up and whatnot, if you want. But looking for one of your ideas within those four options is one of the first things that I suggest.

Cait: That’s super helpful. And I think, probably food for thought for anybody listening with across different industries, to be able to figure out which resonates most with the transformation they provide with their audience and how to craft that as a signature offer. Beautiful. I love that so much. Jordan, one of the things that I ask a lot of people that come on this show, we’re all about what it takes to rise up, I’m really curious if there was either a time in your life or business where shit felt really like out of order or felt like very kind of chaotic. What is something that catalyzed you to really rise up and build a business that’s dedicated to supporting female entrepreneurs get their systems in order? A moment that you had to overcome that’s really shaped your journey and your thought leadership in this space of systematization?

Honoring Where & How You Work Best

Jordan: I would say back in –I’ve been in business since 2016 — so in 2016, about five months into my business, I was, interestingly enough, how I started my business, I had four monthly retainer clients, and I was making about 12k a month, which most people would be like, Okay, how are you complaining, but I was so exhausted every single day. There just were really long days of handling clients and their needs, all the time. 

About five months into my business, I got to a point where three out of the four clients that I had, were launching and these were people who were seven-figure business owners and they were looking to make six figures in the launches that we were doing. These were not baby launches, and to be involved in three of them in the same month was borderline insanity. That initial next month I dropped two clients and kept two clients and figured things out. But I had experienced massive burnout because of it. 

It was really confusing because the actual work I was doing was really enjoyable. But it wasn’t in the way that honored my lifestyle preferences as well as just my body makeup. I suffer from hypothyroidism and chronic fatigue and a lot of fun things, so I really have to be intentional with how I spend my time and my energy because I don’t have unlimited amounts of it, and neither do you. So for me, I really had to make a decision of Okay, does this mean that I’m not meant for entrepreneurship? Or does this mean that the current business model I’m working in doesn’t fit my body in my life? 

I chose to move through and say, I know entrepreneurship is for me, it just isn’t supposed to look like this. And that’s where I took a journey to figure out what type of offering that would be. And thankfully, it didn’t take too long, I had a sales coach about a month or two later, who offered VIP days and really shone a light to me that these are possible. And I see created the systems VIP. Not many people were doing them back then at all. People were like, what are you doing? 

I want to encourage people, even if you don’t see what it is that you want to do, that sometimes means that you’re the one who’s meant to experiment. It doesn’t mean that it’s not possible, because I think we’re told only to do things that you’ve seen other people doing because if the way you’re saying it should be done it would already be done. I don’t think that that’s the case. 

A lot of times, I think that some of us are pioneers in our industry. And what comes with that is a lot of trial and error a lot of times and you’re like, gosh, I wish somebody would just give me a freaking blueprint already. But sometimes we’re the ones who are blessed to go through that journey. And so for me, I really had to choose to rise up because it was complicated. I really enjoyed systems. And it was confusing to me how you could love doing something and be so tired. It didn’t compute for me, but I recognized it was a business model problem. And it wasn’t an existential crisis of like, Oh my gosh, maybe I’m not that good at systems 100%. No. A business model problem, not a willpower problem, or a personality problem, or a work ethic problem.

Cait: That’s so powerful. I love that so much. And I really appreciate you sharing that backstory with us. Because I think we all derive our motivation and our why from somewhere. I think that it’s super powerful to know that part of your journey. And it’s so inspiring for coaches and done for you service providers that you’ve been able to make a pivot that honors your strengths and your zone of genius, but also honors your body and your time. Yep, absolutely love that. I love that so much Jordan, one of the last questions that I love to ask all of our guests when they come on the show is just to give our listeners some parting words of advice as they are in their journey of rising and building their businesses, what  would you say to them?

Why You Need To Slow Down When You Turn Corners

Jordan: Yeah, I would say that if you are in any sort of pivot point in your business, whether it’s pivoting from one on one to a group program, or pivoting from service provider, to course creator or any sort of pivot that you’re always going to have to when you think about running, or even driving, anytime you turn a corner you have to slow down. 

That doesn’t mean that things aren’t working or that it’s bad, it means that you’re preparing for the acceleration that’s about to occur. So I really want to encourage you in those pivotal moments in those decisions that give yourself the grace and time that’s necessary to see the pivot full through versus feeling the bank, I don’t know what the opposite of acceleration is deceleration, I guess, of speed and feeling like something is wrong, nothing is wrong. That is normal. And it’s just the preparation for then the growth and success to come.

Cait: So wise, I think we all are so obsessed with moving forward fast, but sometimes you got to slow down to speed up. So that is so beautifully said Jordan, thank you so much for coming on to the show. I’ve loved having you on here. where can our listeners stay connected with you find out more about what you do and just get juicy content about all things systems?

Jordan: Yes. Thanks so much again for having me, Cait. So y’all can go over to Instagram that’s my jam at SystemsSavedMe. And obviously, you are a podcast listener if you’re listening to this podcast, so we have a podcast, Systems Saved Me, not a shocker. And if you want to learn more fun things about VIP days and systems and all the goodness, then you can go to our website systemsavedme.com. We have quizzes, we have freebies, we have all sorts of fun shenanigans that you can get into over there.

Cait: I love that. Thank you so much again, Jordan. This was fantastic.

Jordan: Yes, thanks so much again, Cait.